Come and See - 1985

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...and+see+part+1
A Belorussian production of 1985.
A playlist with the entire movie on it, divided in 13 parts.

Here's part 1:


For more information about this movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_See

I hope this will help people understand why Victory Day is so important to Russians.

Saw it as a kid. Found it extremely uncomfortable to watch, very stark and unlike the western war films I'd been used to.

Originally Posted by pannonian

Saw it as a kid. Found it extremely uncomfortable to watch, very stark and unlike the western war films I'd been used to.

Same here. I saw this film many years ago, probably on Channel 4, with Eng subs. Very powerful film. I seem to remember a scene with a captured SS man making a speech. I think I shall watch it again.

Found it extremely uncomfortable to watch

Yeah. Because it makes you feel that your previous enjoyment of Hollywood War Movies is a hollow, dead thing.

Demonisation movies are always so depressing to watch, despite whether they are true or not. If it doesn't show a single German trying to be a human insted of a monster it's a pure demonisation movie plain and simple. Didn't watch part 2 of that video, let alone the movie so I can't say if it is or not.

If it doesn't show a single German trying to be a human insted of a monster it's a pure demonisation movie plain and simple. Didn't watch part 2 of that video, let alone the movie so I can't say if it is or not.

Why don't you watch the whole thing and then provide your comments?

Originally Posted by sephodwyrm

Why don't you watch the whole thing and then provide your comments?

Because I can already predict it's outcome. Good war movies or TV shows are best done when unpredictable, though most of such are unhistorical or pure fiction. But do a far better job normally at being soul candy.

Originally Posted by Lumina

Because I can already predict it's outcome.

No you can't. Watch it, think, then comment. If you find such movies too depressing, then you don't have to comment on them at all, but don't put some kind of label on them just because you think you know it all.

Originally Posted by Rapax

No you can't. Watch it, think, then comment. If you find such movies too depressing, then you don't have to comment on them at all, but don't put some kind of label on them just because you think you know it all.

I do know it all. Movie from the Soviet era really is as credable as a American movie from the 1960-70s who showed the Germans as almost super heroes just not in American uniforms, just because they were an ally to us at the time. Movie will show the evil of the Germans, murdering people eta eta, at the end there will be possibly some glimmer of hope if not victory, thats my outcome prediction. Am I wrong? lol

If they cared about making a real movie, they would make one about the millions of Ukrianians who were starved to death by the USSR because they exported all their crops, of course you will not see that coming out of Russia, not like the US where you see movies about the genocide of the native americans come out in resent years.

Originally Posted by Lumina

I do know it all. Movie from the Soviet era really is as credable as a American movie from the 1960-70s who showed the Germans as almost super heroes just not in American uniforms, just because they were an ally to us at the time.

Huh? Can you please point me to american made movies about german supermen? The absurdity intrigues me.

Movie will show the evil of the Germans, murdering people eta eta, at the end there will be possibly some glimmer of hope if not victory, thats my outcome prediction. Am I wrong? lol

Movie will show what civilians in the east actually experienced under the German war of extermination. What the horrors he witnesses will do to the mind of a young boy.
Apparently in your alternative universe that didn't happen and claiming it did is demonization, yes?

If they cared about making a real movie, they would make one about the millions of Ukrianians who were starved to death by the USSR because they exported all their crops, of course you will not see that coming out of Russia, not like the US where you see movies about the genocide of the native americans come out in resent years.

What an idiotic statement. So apparently the USSR wasn't allowed to make movies about the brutal Nazi occupation and the effect it had on its civilian population...cause that wouldn't be "real" yes? Because that never happened, the Nazis were actually nice people and it would be unfair of the USSR to make movies that suggest otherwise. They should only make movies that deal with what they did wrong, yes? Is that the gist of what you're suggesting?

So again, if you refuse to watch it and prefer wallowing in your own ignorance and arrogance, there's no need for you to comment on it at all.

Good war movies or TV shows are best done when unpredictable,

Rotten tomatoes and IMDB gave it a very high rating.

IMDB: 8.1/10
Rotten Tomatoes: 94% Fresh
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1036052-come_and_see/

So yes, it is rather unpredictable. There's deals of highs and lows in this movie, interspersed with some camera works and mood. The movie is extremely surreal and very unlike the ordinary war movies you expect (compared to other Soviet propaganda works).

i saw the whole thing on youtube
i swear, that little boy's face is going to stay with me forever
scarred and old b4 his time
and the gang rape of that poor girl

sick s

^ DAMN!!!

sick s

Notice how the boy's face went from boyish and cheerful in the beginning of the movie to a gray, death-pan and filled with stress wrinkles, wide-eyed and panicky. There's one part when he gets left behind and he trudges around the empty camp crying, and accidentally tramples a bird nest, killing all the chicks inside. And several parts later it goes back to his house where we see a series of broken dolls (dead family) on the ground.

Guys, Belorussian =/= Russian.
This is a Belorussian movie talking about Nazi anti-partisan sweeps and systematic creation of No Man's Land in Belorussia. The Partisans are Belorussians, not Soviets. There's no Soviet Communist Propaganda.

a captured SS man making a speech.

The captured SS man made a manly speech that's ultimately the most disheartening. People actually believed in racial hygiene and Darwinism to the point that they used it to justify an atrocity and make it sound as if it is a boon to mankind.

Originally Posted by sephodwyrm

The captured SS man made a manly speech that's ultimately the most disheartening. People actually believed in racial hygiene and Darwinism to the point that they used it to justify an atrocity and make it sound as if it is a boon to mankind.

True. Thats just a part that I can remember, it must have stuck in my head. It's probably over 20 years ago I watched this film.

<<Not all races deserve to live>>
With a straight face, too. I don't know who's worse. The guy that pleaded for leniency by giving a load of excuses how he wouldn't even "hurt a fly" or the guy that stood up to his crimes and said that it had to be done for the sake of humanity.