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    Can you please change the way Gandalf is displayed in the game? I don't like him as an ancillary to a General.

    I have an idea for Gandalf:

    Can you make Gandalf something like the Iman for Gondor, who can call a Jihat?

    If he dies there could be the massage, that Gandalf has to travel to other places now, because bigger problems occupy him.
    If he has died, the player could have the chance to recruit him again. Only one simultaneous. When he is alive this would be imposible. This Jihat could be maby called "Ask Gandalf for help".
    The Dshihat he calles could be named something like "Gandalf's advise" and be only possible against Harad, Mordor, Rhun, Isengard or the Rebels.

    When you do this Gandalf would be an helpful advise for the good people (Gondor) against Mordor. He would only indirect fight with Mordor.


    PS.: I am sorry for my awful English, but I would really like to see something like that in TATW.
    Last edited by Isildor; May 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM.

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    Dshihat. LMAO. It's JIHAD buddy.

    And no, sorry - won't be done. First it wouldn't work and secondly, people would then want Saruman and it would stuff things up further.
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    the current system works fine for most people so why change it?

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    Beneath all his power, Gandalfs main role is that of an advisor to the king of men, so imho hes fine as an ancilliary. And like mentioned above, putting one wizard in, means putting every wizard in.
    And you cant have 4 factions with their own Jihad, as well as you cant have wizards as playable generals.
    Saruman for example needs to be ancilliary of the Isengard Leader, for Isengard would be pointless without him and as a normal general he would inevitably die

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    Why wouldn't this work? In the normal game you can recruit only one priest when you have only one church. The building in the game could be the white tree or something else.
    In MTW it is also impossible call a Crusade to Orthodox fractions, so it could be also made impossible to call a crusade agaist the sood fractions.
    To edit the the death massage is also possible. It was done before with the elbs.

    So, why should this be impossible?


    PS.: I think that Gandalf should have an active part in the game because he also have an active part in the books.
    Last edited by Isildor; May 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM.

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    I don't get what you want to happen with Galndalf's Advice? What do you want Gandalf's (Imam) "Jihad" thing to do?
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    @ ISA-Gunner:
    I would like him to call a Jihad.



    Do you don't think that an ancillary-wizard not show their real importance?
    Last edited by Isildor; May 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildor View Post
    I would like him to call a Jihad.
    And what would happen? You get a general called Saladin show up with a few thousand Saracens outside the Black Gate? Elaborate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISA Gunner View Post
    And what would happen? You get a general called Saladin show up with a few thousand Saracens outside the Black Gate? Elaborate.
    No.

    I mean:

    Sauron as "pope" can call a "crusade" and
    Gandalf as "Iman" can call a "Jihad"

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    If the Jihad feature is implemented it will most likely be given to the elves (it can't be given to multiple cultures).

    Apostle Zodd is working on heroes:
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    Fellowship
    Frodo- Sam
    Frodo- Sam -gollum(upgrade)
    Merry-Pippin
    Gandalf the Grey
    Gandalf the White(when he dies he will come back as white, hopfully this can be scripted just right)
    Aragorn
    Aragorn(apon entering gondor he will ge an upgrade)
    Legolas
    Gimli
    Boromir
    Lurtz
    Elrond
    Celeborn
    Galadriel
    Saruman
    Théoden
    Éomer
    Éowyn
    Faramir
    Haldir of Lórien
    Treebeard
    Gríma Wormtongue
    Arwen Evenstar
    Rosie Cotton Sarah McLeod
    Witch-King
    Gothmog
    Uglúk
    Mouth of Sauron


    I don't know how experienced he is and I haven't seen anything in-game, but it looks promising.

    I think heroes should be a rather low priority. Fleshing out the unit rosters, 2D art and additional sound is more important. Unique gameplay elements would also be great (unfortunately my economic and research ideas can't really work), but that's most likely not going to happen. But that's just my preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISA Gunner View Post
    And what would happen? You get a general called Saladin show up with a few thousand Saracens outside the Black Gate? Elaborate.
    A jihad for the good people of middle earth, I am confused at your confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISA Gunner View Post
    I don't get what you want to happen with Galndalf's Advice? What do you want Gandalf's (Imam) "Jihad" thing to do?
    I think i got what he meant and it would be a good idea
    But i also thing, people want saruman and so on then, too.....

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    So what? Good generals can join this Jihad on an Evil faction's settlement? It's not good. Lore wise too. Would be bad. Imagine him calling a Jihad on Barad-dur and seeing an Eriador army marching north of Mordor, through Rhun, up Mordor's :wub:, past the sea of Nurnen, into the Gorgoroth and besieging Barad-dur and possibly taking it whilst being surounded by tens of thousands of Orcs in the Gorgoroth plain. Nuh uh.
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    Bad idea agree with ISA you add one wizard u got to add the whole lot of them.

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    the reason "good" factions don't have the jihad feature is that they would all have to have the same culture aka no northmen,gondorian,elvish, and dwarvish cultures just one big ole "good" culture which would not make sense gameplay and lore wise

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    Exaclty, thats why i said it wouldn't work.
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    I understand what you mean Isildor but as one might guess this has been discussed a lot. The team probably don't want for good factions to have "jihads" since they're supposed to be on the defensive (and things like inquisition and excommunication wouldn't really fit) and even if they did get them it would probably happen via the "White Council" (which Gandalf is a part of).

    This way he's at least present in the game (as opposed to being some invisible entity that demands you invade some location) and it even makes some sense since, as people have said, Istari are mainly supposed to guide and provide support "from behind the scenes" (granted, Gandalf's role in LoTR was a bit more frontal).

    Gah, so many people responded by the time I typed this out.

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    So you want to make a good version of the evil factions invasion?
    Thats not a bad idea
    Ofc I dont see how you could get it to work properly unless you changed all the good factions culture to good or something instead of Dudeain,Northsmen etc
    It would be good if you think about it
    Good factions probably wont always be getting owned by the evil factions,playing as evil faction would be more of a challenge and who wouldnt want to march on Mordor with an alliance of men,elves and dwarves?

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    I thought of this only for Gondor.

    So Gondor would have Gandalf as "Iman". But not from the begining. Maby it should need a longh time to "recruit" Gandalf. And when he calles the "Jihad" only Gondor would have the chance to follow the call. This would be better and more realistic. And only Gondor would have Gandalf recruitable.
    This wouldn't made Gondor to powerful, because it still needs to have an army for Jihad, but it would be an nice tactical element. When you want to attack the black gate for example, your army would become only faster. This would be only something like the last desperate try to do something against Mordor.

    Normally Gondor is only defensiv (like in the books) but with a Gandalf-Iman it could become one single time, with the help of Gandalf, offensiv (also like in the books).

    I think the marsh to the Black Gate in the end of lotr would be something like this in the book.

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    i agree with you on that isildor make gandalf an imam thats a good idea

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