Burning rams and siege towers - favourtism?

**Withwnar** · May 10, 2009, 09:01 AM

I was wondering if it's much easier for the enemy to set fire to your rams/towers than it is for you to set fire to theirs.

Not sure that it is a bug, or deliberate, or even true, but I've seen a few remarks about this in other threads and couldn't find it in this bug forum.

I stole these from the A Logical Suggestion thread...

Originally Posted by rsslcs

It also seems that when the AI attack, their ram is immune to any sort of damage, but when I attack a city, 1 regiment of free archers will set the ram ablaze!! Soooo.. why is that?

Originally Posted by Coeur de Lion

there are significant descrepincies with the rams methinks....I was trying to get a particular result of a battle for an AAR I'm writing, so I played the same seige about 6 times and the ram burnt on 2 occasions when it was about 100yeards away from the wall, all the other times, with exactly the same archer configuration and firing pattern, it got to the gates. Strange!!!

Originally Posted by Withwnar

Ah, glad to hear this. I noticed it too. I found that I could not burn the ram with a lot of Silvan archers firing at it for a decent length of time. I thought: "oh well, maybe you just can't do that in this mod". I send a ram and the enemy's single (weak) archer unit burns it in two volleys. Maybe three. "Now that," I thought, "is unfair."

I was starting to think that you needed armour piercing arrows (which none of my Silvans do). Maybe that "weak" enemy unit wasn't as weak as I remember. Come to think of it they were pretty accurate. Also, they were shooting from the ground, standing about level with the second tower along the wall. I don't see how that would make a difference but strange that these guys weren't on the wall, being archers and all. Maybe the AI knows something that I don't?

**MasterBigAb** · May 10, 2009, 09:07 AM

I think if it is like this, then it's also in the vanilla version
I often saw my siege weapons burning, after they were hit by few fire arrows, while the AI moved till my gates without starting to burn...

**Withwnar** · May 10, 2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by MasterBigAb

I think if it is like this, then it's also in the vanilla version...

Actually, come to think of it, maybe I did notice some of this inbalance in vanilla. Not as much though, I think.

Just wondering if anyone knew for sure. Maybe, if it's happening deliberately, it's part of one the incorporated submods.

**Withwnar** · May 10, 2009, 09:10 AM

I didn't have this problem in vanilla, and pretty sure not in Kingdoms either.

**lennartje** · May 10, 2009, 09:20 AM

Not really much to do with this, but I was very surprised when my siege tower caught flames in the pouring rain! I guess that's a flaw in vanilla, but there should be a very tiny chance (almost to zero) to set alight a siege weapon in rain (more rain = smaller chance) and a larger chance in deserts.
Would be really awesome, waiting for rain when sieging a castle