Understanding the Arab-Israeli Conflict

**eggthief** · May 10, 2009, 09:56 AM

Yes cause we all know how peacefully the muslims are going to kill less radical muslims in their own countries after that. Continues cycle of human's lust for blood in a nutshell.

**Orko** · May 10, 2009, 10:37 AM

Let's look at it another way: Let's say that US is a barren, undeveloped, empty land ruled by a foreign power and there is no such thing as an American nationality. There is a certain group of people there are persecuted around the world, and they have some representation in the US. They decide that they had enough and want a country of their own. They start migrating there peacefully and they develope the land but it causes the locals to get angry so they attack this group of people. the authorities ecide to ban immigration of that group of people to appease the other one. then, these people are largely massacred by another country. This shows the world that this people needs a homeland. after alot of foreign pressure the power that is controling the US decides to accept a worldwide decision to split the US and give half to the persecuted people and half for the locals to found two states. the local US residents are angry and attack the other people. The other people prevails and finally founds a country, with larger borders than planned. Then the locals(who some are now former-locals) attack the civilian population of that people and decide to invent a nationality of their own. Now you all know how the rest developes and there is no need to explain it.

**b_133** · May 10, 2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by orko

Let's look at it another way: Let's say that US is a barren, undeveloped, empty land ruled by a foreign power and there is no such thing as an American nationality. There is a certain group of people there are persecuted around the world, and they have some representation in the US. They decide that they had enough and want a country of their own. They start migrating there peacefully and they develope the land but it causes the locals to get angry so they attack this group of people. the authorities ecide to ban immigration of that group of people to appease the other one. then, these people are largely massacred by another country. This shows the world that this people needs a homeland. after alot of foreign pressure the power that is controling the US decides to accept a worldwide decision to split the US and give half to the persecuted people and half for the locals to found two states. the local US residents are angry and attack the other people. The other people prevails and finally founds a country, with larger borders than planned. Then the locals(who some are now former-locals) attack the civilian population of that people and decide to invent a nationality of their own. Now you all know how the rest developes and there is no need to explain it.

This is how a simplistic and one-sided view looks from the other way.
I could make an article similar to the OP explaining the situation this way.

I hope you don't actually mean it. It is alot more complicated, and that's why the article in the OP is garbage.

**Orko** · May 10, 2009, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by b_133

I hope you don't actually mean it. It is alot more complicated, and that's why the article in the OP is garbage.

I know it is a lot more complicated. I did it that way in purpose.

**Blaze86420** · May 10, 2009, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by orko

Let's look at it another way: Let's say that US is a barren, undeveloped, empty land ruled by a foreign power and there is no such thing as an American nationality. There is a certain group of people there are persecuted around the world, and they have some representation in the US. They decide that they had enough and want a country of their own. They start migrating there peacefully and they develope the land but it causes the locals to get angry so they attack this group of people. the authorities ecide to ban immigration of that group of people to appease the other one. then, these people are largely massacred by another country. This shows the world that this people needs a homeland. after alot of foreign pressure the power that is controling the US decides to accept a worldwide decision to split the US and give half to the persecuted people and half for the locals to found two states. the local US residents are angry and attack the other people. The other people prevails and finally founds a country, with larger borders than planned. Then the locals(who some are now former-locals) attack the civilian population of that people and decide to invent a nationality of their own. Now you all know how the rest developes and there is no need to explain it.

Hah, and people are saying that my comparison was pathetic! Palestine a barren land? Your expecting people to believe that all most every region in the middle east is inhabited (even the arabian desert!), but the the relatively fertile region of palestine? what happened to the crusades and the tens of thousands of arabs that were massacred? No palestinian nationality? not one modern arab nation existed before the fall of the caliphates, why not annex those to israel too?

**Dr. Croccer** · May 10, 2009, 10:34 AM

Constant jewish presence. Ethnic and religious ties. DNA tying Jews to the Levant area. This is where the last Jewish state was. And Jews always wanted to go back. If you don't know the ideologies and ideas of Zionism then there's no point to argue.

Why does a Palestinian state has a right to exist exactly? Because they happened to be a majority there after mass immigrations? Isn't that the argument you would use against the creation of Israel, that most Jews were immigrants?

I believe in 2 state solution. You obviously don't, as there is no other side as far as you're concerned. That's the difference between you and me.

This is, as stated repeatdly, pathetic and extremely wrong. According to DNA tests the majority of Palestinians are closer to Bedouin and Jews than Arabs and their genetic pattern is traced to the area till at least the Neolithic. They're more native to the area than most Israelis are.

Jews formed less than 3% of the population prior to 1875. From the late 19th century onward, persecution and the development of Zionism and Jewish nationalism caused a massive immigration wave. By 1948, Jews made about 30% of the population.

**Dr. Croccer** · May 10, 2009, 10:37 AM

Turkey is the only one with some sort of actual chance at defeating Israel and they're not enemies of Israel to start with.

**6644kp** · May 10, 2009, 10:42 AM

ok ok this is what should happen to israel:

We could even experiment with them such as kill all the ugly ones
and force all the good looking ones to breed

then there would be a master race!!!

what do the israelis on this board think of my idea? do you like it?

**Orko** · May 10, 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by 6644kp

what do the israelis on this board think of my idea? do you like it?

I say that you are very hypocritical complaining about the Israelis treating Palestinians like the Nazis did and how poor the Palestinians are while you propose such things.

**eggthief** · May 10, 2009, 10:44 AM

Well Iran is pretty dangerous as well right now, but with bad relations with both Israel and the US who carry both a strong military force and surrounded by Sunni nations, they probably won't use their nukes anytime soon.

**mrcrusty** · May 10, 2009, 11:02 AM

Haha, I like the unrealistic, loaded and provoking tone of the OP.

Allows for a thread full of lulz

"Wipe out the Juice!!"

"Damn dirty A-rabs, go back to the desert!!"

On the other hand, I do like the idea of those being absurdly pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian to exercise some empathy *gasp* when posting or even thinking about the conflict, which was pointed out in the very first paragraph of the OP. It may help give a new perspective on things.
Simply posting without learning and understanding the feelings of the other side doesn't help anyone, and makes you look like a tool.

**eggthief** · May 10, 2009, 11:40 AM

b_133, this guy isn't going to stop no matter what you say, he's just feeding on your irritation. But then again, I have yet to see a Pro-Palestine supporter who brings up good arguments.

**Orko** · May 10, 2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by eggthief

b_133, this guy isn't going to stop no matter what you say, he's just feeding on your irritation. But then again, I have yet to see a Pro-Palestine supporter who brings up good arguments.

well, Rome brings up rather good arguements.

**eggthief** · May 10, 2009, 11:43 AM

A 1 out of 10000 ratio isn't good enough for me. It just shows that people pick sides without thinking. I'm just gonna say

it and stay neutral.

**Каие** · May 10, 2009, 01:00 PM

Nationalism is pathetic, be it Palestinian or Isralei nationalism. I am sitting here observing a total crap fest with this crappy arguments based around penis sizes, myths and bloated opinions. At least debate facts, not myths or opinions. Some truths are inconvenient, but are truths nonetheless and important to reaching a rational conclusion. Education sets you free, anythign else condemns you.

**6644kp** · May 10, 2009, 01:29 PM

Edit.Noble Savage

oh and looking at the map of the UN partition no wonder the arabs didnt accept it, they lost like 51% of their land to immigrants. double standards.

**b_133** · May 10, 2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Яome kb8

Nationalism is pathetic, be it Palestinian or Isralei nationalism. I am sitting here observing a total crap fest with this crappy arguments based around penis sizes, myths and bloated opinions. At least debate facts, not myths or opinions. Some truths are inconvenient, but are truths nonetheless and important to reaching a rational conclusion. Education sets you free, anythign else condemns you.

Point out the myths then.
And i don't recall anyone bringing up nationalism.

**Каие** · May 11, 2009, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by b_133

Point out the myths then.

I wish I had the time. It's not like you'd listen anyway. I've been doing that for years, but the myths are more convenient for you to believe. You know myths like ''Palestinians aren't real, it's just a conspiracy'', ''Palestine was empty'', ''Arabs attacked first''. You need a certain amount of energy.

And i don't recall anyone bringing up nationalism.

Of course not, often enough nationalists have no idea just how rabid and nationalist they are.

**Blaze86420** · May 10, 2009, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Яome kb8

Nationalism is pathetic, be it Palestinian or Isralei nationalism. I am sitting here observing a total crap fest with this crappy arguments based around penis sizes, myths and bloated opinions. At least debate facts, not myths or opinions. Some truths are inconvenient, but are truths nonetheless and important to reaching a rational conclusion. Education sets you free, anythign else condemns you.

im not using nationalism in my argument in any way. i want to see palestine back in the hand of palestinians, whether we govern ourselves or not. thats how it always has been. arab nationalism failed epicly and is the number one reason why we are suffering so much. and im sorry if my arguements arent as good as yours rome.