Uniform Texture Updates

[33orion77]

Light Dragoons

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And the white Horse Guards ( I think I like them best as general's bodyguards and have the beige as household cavalry...)

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Near the end but still 4 or 5 more to go...

[Roslolian]

Major_Payne: Yes, there is an Austrian retexture, but Aykis hasn't updated the link yet. It can be found here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=239486

Like all uniform textures from Remo (and also in associated with Regalia at the moment), it's in a patch format and needs only be placed in your data folder to work.

[33orion77]

Wow! If I could rep you twice, Jan Chryzostom, I would. I've tried so hard to find the stuff you provided. You gave me may answer but also not I've got some more dilemas to solve. It is just a bit absurd that I find all those informations when my retexture is almost complete.... better late than never... as they say...
By looking at all those pictures, I belive my first try was not that bad. Some changes are needed tho, to make it better. The musician need reverse colors and I'm questionning again the texture for the militia. the texture may look nice but it is in fact based on peasant leavies of the "revolutionary" poland.

I take a break here to talk about concept. The concept or theme is what brings all the textures under a certain harmony. Usually, we don't think to much about that and just copy historical sources. All the uniforms of the era were designed under certain rules or template. ( ex. red infantry and blue artillery or blue with yellow turnback) At the time, the choice for the colors were not all the time the best artistic choices. CA, in it's vanilla version have opted for a visually harmonious theme with few historical ties. It has the advantage that you may be able to identify easily the factions fighting and brings a visual harmony to the whole army. But doing so, CA have missed the point Roslolian made with "Immersion"

The key to realism isn't always realistic accuracy, but rather immersion. Part of immersion is identifying with the faction you play, which is why color schemes that are too similar to other factions can break immersion and therefore the sense of realism.

Remember all, what was one of the first faction to be reskinned: Spain. I belive spain was one of the first to grap attention because the spainish textures were creating no immersion at all. I never had the feeling to play Spain using the vanilla textures ( which is btw based on the spanish dragoons uniform). Because those textures did not match our cultural references, they were not accepted because they could not bring immersion. I belive that the concept or the theme is the tool to bring immersion. Cultural background is also a big factors.( I live in Montreal, Canada, talk to me about the french or the british but poland?, I had no idea how the line infantry should but a while ago for I'm stuck with a nort-american point of view on history and the world)....
For Poland-Lithuania I've decided to decided that the theme of the army would be the army of Augustus II the Stong.It has a unique red and light blue appearence and is visually harmonious. I still have a headache for the for a few units that have no place with the Army of Augustus, like the riffles. Also, the polish uniform color sheme is changing and the end of the century so I'll only use those in last resort.

Now back on topic... Using "revolutionary" to qualifiy the partition of poland is inacurate but the end of the 18th century were troubled times for Poland until it's desappearance from the map of Europe in 1795.
I belive the militia texture represent perfectly the late polish army but with the new images provided by Jan Chryzostom there's an other option... Also adding some yellow facings to some regiment could also be a nice touch I think ( I don't know which: horse regiment, light infantry grenadier, etc... ) So maybe in the end my theme for poland could be red and light blue for the majority some red and yellow and maybe some blue and yellow ( like milicia, lancer and maybe provicial cavalry). All this new stuff is amazing I have to take some more time to think about it. But, with all of this come a bad news... it'll take longer before the release...

[Roslolian]

Your appreciation of the endeavor as an artistic venture rather than a mere "historic" venture more than makes up for any amount of time you may need. Whenever it's ready, I'll be on it in a heartbeat. I'm even excited at the idea of a Polish campaign now. In the meantime, I'll run around with the Spanish.

I'll admit that historic accuracy is only of passing interest to me. I value it in the sense that I know most of the community values it, but I'm far more concerned with overall aesthetic. Several retextures aim for historic accuracy but end up missing the entire notion of aesthetics (or what you might call theme). For most players this isn't an issue. I'm unsure why, but most folks are content with mere historic accuracy.

For myself though, accuracy without aesthetics is dead. Just having the right colors isn't enough to make a faction come alive. It's the nuance and detail, and the clarity which make me say, "I understand why someone would want to wear this uniform" that makes a retexture work for me. Remo's textures possessed an earthiness that made them feel alive, which is why his were good. Orion's textures have every bit of nuance and detail that makes them a delight to witness, and are among my favorite. Hellfell's textures added brilliant variety within a faction (which I feel is often overlooked), and I just happen to love Russia anyways so he gets bonus points on top of his splendid textures.

Of all the retexture projects out there, Regalia is my favorite (hence why I'm always haunting your forum) and it's principally because of the design aesthetic. I lament Remo's loss (and hope for his return), but nonetheless wanted to extend my gratitude to the lot of you for your work and sincerity of purpose. Oh, and sorry for rambling.

[Jan Chryzostom]

Hi there,

Only today I found, that actually the entire book is on the web . Here on this russian website: http://militarist.milua.org/zolnierz.../IMG_4423.html

And here's another interesting site, where on the bottom we can find a nice description of regimental colours:

http://www.gromoboy.narod.ru/anna/polisharmy.htm#part4

I'm glad I can help, but my modest contribution is nothing compared to the formidable work you're doing on those Res Publica Utriusque Nationis uniforms.
The majority of them is astonishing and as you say there is nothing, or very little to change.
I think I've read in the units modding FAQ that it was possible to create completly new units based on the existing ones. So I might be wrong, but it should be possible to create units specific for a single province. Let's take militia as an example.. the drawing's description says it's the Warsaw's militia corpus, following this you could make a yellow-blue militia recrutable in the Mazovia district based on the line infantry uniform pattern and militia fighting statistics. The red-white militia you've made could be recruted in other provinces, as we don't have at this moment sources on the colour scheme's used in other cities.

Another thing I'm not sure (I'm still in the early campaign). Do the uniform patterns change in the "late" period? If yes, you could make the "revolutionnary" militia beeing available from a specific year.
What I miss in the polish faction, is that there are no true recrutable peasants as those we see in the Ottoman empire for example. Because those from the Kosciusko's insurection period, were in fact untrained peasants which had nothing in common with war, in contrary to the militiamans raised by rightfull authority.

the end of the 18th century were troubled times for Poland until it's desappearance from the map of Europe in 1795.

I would say even more. The entire XVIII century was fatal for Poland. The decline started in the first half of the XVII century with the swedish deluge.. since that time The Commonwealth is the battlefield of all eastern superpowers for the next 150 years until its final partition. Even Sobieski, we the Poles tend to glorify, calling him the savor of Europe and of the entire Christianity, had a relatively weak position and power not only on the continent but in his own country. The legendary husaria sadly, was only efficient fighting the turks, and those must had been tied in a fight so our cavalrymen could reach them from the flank. No way to engage a modern european army at all.

At Sobieski's death started the real troubles. The highest nobility was so power and money thirsty, they've completly forgotten the reason of the state. The poor nobility had no influence at all, and both were making their living on the plebeian's back. Add to this a King completly disinterested about his country, treating the Rzeczpospolita as a granary for his saxon army and an experimental body for his political manoeuvres, having in mind only the welfare of his motherland the German electoral state. Saxon's staying in Poland-Lithuania were treated as strangers, with their specific sense of superiority beyond the slavs we know especially from the XX century ongoings . Not that it's an unjustified feeling.. If I were a german observing this disorganized nation, and by saying nation I mean the nobility, It would be weird not to agree with their sentiment of excellence. Although the Commonwealth was one of the poorest countries in Europe, its capital Warsaw saw in the XVIII century the growing of dozens sumptuous aristocratic palaces neighbouring wooden huts.. no wonder that Voltaire called the city a "hole" in his Encyclopedia.
In such a landscape of desolation, exploitation and humiliation there is no place for a professional army. The mood was so low nobody cared about the state. They got brutally woked-up in the late XVIII, planing reforms etc. but it was too late.

That's why nobody wants to examine this period from a military point of view.. not a single true battle in practicaly a whole century. Nothing to be proud of.. this period does not exist in our minds. An army of 12 000 soldiers is nothing compared to our neighbours.

And that's precisely why I wouldn't bother too much on precise historical accuracy.. for the simple reason we have no credible sources. Those we have are only suppositions, in a considerable part fruit of the author's imagination. All we know is based on written relations, and 2 or 3 paintings (Especially for the first half of the century). Those pictures I provided are approximations of how it could be.. that's why the details (grenadier plates etc.) are fuzzy .

But don't let those bitter words discourage you and I wish you all the best in continuing the remarquable work you've done so far. Time is not important, it's the result that matters. I'll try to visit the Polish Army museum in Warsaw this week, to see what they've got on this period. I'll let you know if I find something.

[Ebusitanus]

Here some love for Spain

Anyhow...Linked bellow is the debate we had about the uniforms and flags and ultimatelty provinces in the historical research subforum.
Basically the vanilla flag did not fly over any spanish infantry unit up to 1843. In 1793 it was approved only as a naval jack. from game start (1700) up to the 1820´s the official spanish battle flag was the Red burgundy cross over a white field (The one vanilla "New Spain" uses). I have noticed some Mod out there that gives Spain a medieval type of flag/banner which is an aberration too.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=118991&page=7

All this lead to an excellent work done by Waronmars reskining the Spanish and some others. This brought us correct colors for Spain, a correct flag and better shown special units such as Walloon Guards and the Irish Brigade.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=237704

[33orion77]

Hello all,
Thanks to Radosław Sikora from the historical forum I have details of the breast of the horseguard:here
This was just was I needed to finish my first horse guard texture. the second will be in white like the picture. Now, at the moment, I don't know if I'll take the white or the beige for the General bodyguard. I guess I'll see when both are done..

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@Ebusitanus
You remind me that I still have my spanish project going on but now I have too many wip and work must be done.

[titanvoyager]

Hello all,
Thanks to Radosław Sikora from the historical forum I have details of the breast of the horseguard:here
This was just was I needed to finish my first horse guard texture. the second will be in white like the picture. Now, at the moment, I don't know if I'll take the white or the beige for the General bodyguard. I guess I'll see when both are done..

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@Ebusitanus
You remind me that I still have my spanish project going on but now I have too many wip and work must be done.

Really good.

Also, can you add gloves to the models?

[33orion77]

Hello,
just a short update to show you the changes I've made on the grenadier's plate, Thanks to Jan Chryzostom...

[Kip]

Lovely work! Great update!

[Jan Chryzostom]

Impressive level of detail! Astonishing work!

[33orion77]

hello all

@ titanvoyager,
you mean gloves like the regiment of horse or the horse arty? I don't know if I could but I'll see what I can do...

@ Jan Chryzostom
level of details... I have to tell you my secret: I'm a lousy skinner, I just edited the pictures of the grenadier plate you found ( copy, paste). If I was good, I would have made a drawing myself but I can't draw... It is maybe a cheap technique but until I get better at drawing I fear I'll still use it, it gives great result! there's an other example in the pictures below where I've edited Remo's Prussian grenadier...

[Kip]

My jaw just hit the floor. It really hurt.

SUPERB work!

[33orion77]

Hello all!
I've sent the polish files to Aykis16, I guess they should be available on regalia soon

[Kip]

[Salvo]

I'd like to officially thank 33Orion77.
He not only make fantastic units, but also share his knowlage. He helped me a lot, by repling my questions.
Very thanks friend.

[Barry Lyndon]

First of all, thank you to everyone involved in this modification.

Secondly, I read a few pages back that you wanted to re-skin the swedish infantry units in the future, is that still happening?

[major_payne]

hi
is anyone planning on retextruing bavaria?

[33orion77]

Hello,

What's next eh? honestly, I felt it was time to rework the french (addings wigs and mustaches and add a few details...). As mush as I like Sweden I don't want to start an other project for now since I already have a lots of project. Also, I know that Jared the Piper and general corwalis are working on sweden... maybe I wait to see what's gonna come out of there... ( I'm sorry to say that Sweden is not a priority for now at least ( I'm still fond of Karl XII but the way it goes I start to spread myself too much and nothing is ganna get done that way...

Also, there are some smalls details to fix to make them work properly with patch 1,3. The new spanish units have also revived my desire to finish the spanish textures...( I love those new grenadier! )

@Major_Payne

Bavaria eh? well Smatussek1 made some stuff for the german state but I don't know if they work with patch 1,3. I can say for myself that before I joined RoN I did worked on the german state also. There on Ancien Régime the bavarian line, Hannover line and militia. Those textures are the only ones I put for download but I did work on much more ( hannover arty and Cav, Saxon line and Arty, Bavarian full 50% complete) but I dropped everything to do Poland-Lithuania. I got hooked on Bavaria for I like so much those light blue uniform.

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Now I heard there a kind of debate around the blue of the bavarian army. Some say it's light blue some say it's more or a medium blue a bit like the French blue http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.p...hmann_Infantry

also this I took from here:http://www.miniatures.de/bavarian-ar...years-war.html

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Uniforms in the Seven Years' War

It is not known with certainty, if the infantry wore a dark blue or corn-flower blue coat during the Seven Years' War, but the following items of dress were common to all infantry regiments:

• Collar, cuffs, lapels, and coat lining in the regimental facing colour
• Red stock.
• Black gaiters, tricorne hat, cartridge box, and bayonet scabbard
• White & blue cockade on the tricorne
• Brass grenade badge on grenadier cartridge boxes.
• Grenadiers also had a small cartouche box on the waist-belt
• Red-brown calfskin straps on tin water-bottle and musket (red or white after 1740s).
• Brown-black Austrian pattern grenadier fur caps with red bag, white lace & tassel
• Cowhide knapsacks until 1757, subsequently made from white or grey ticking
• Brass drums with white & blue striped hoops.
• Mounted officers had shabraques and pistol covers in the facing colour, trimmed in the button colour. Exceptions: The Leib-Regiment had blue shabraques edged in silver, Infanterie-Regiment Kurprinz had dark blue shabraques edged in gold.
• Regimental staff officer wore lace in the button colour.
• The Leibkompanie of the I. Battalion of each regiment carried the Leibfahne, a white flag with the Madonna painted on in various designs.
• Füsilier companies carried white and blue checked regimental colours. For reasons of economy, the madonna, and the electoral cyphers in the corners of these flag were often omitted. Grenadier companies did not carry flags.

I didn't made a lot of screens for bavaria for it is much WIP but you can see the artyllery in attachment. When I got half way trough with thoses bavarian textures I began to ask if I was right to do them that way... anyway well see...

[Salvo]

Bavaria?
I love to play Bavaria!!!