Traces of explosives found in wtc debris?

[bigfootedfred]

Danish Scientist Niels Harrit on TV2NEWS
New Scientific Article: Nano-Thermite-explosives found in dust from WTC.



http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Intersting

Personally, i have no idea, im no scientist engineer or anything like that, so i wont pretend to claim it was this or it wasnt that one way or the other. Have fun. Il let you lot debate it out.

[Erik]

why?

[Panzerbear]

just hold on till the American republicans will tell you everything you'll need to know .

[Cougar109]

Wasn't there just a thread on this exact same subject?

[Kamos]

Wasn't there just a thread on this exact same subject?

Yes there was.

[danzig]

Lets go to the video tape and use everyones favorite online source of facts and stuff:

"Thermite reactions have many uses. Thermite is not an explosive but instead operates by exposing a very small area of metal to extremely high temperatures. Intense heat focused on a small spot can be used to cut through metal or weld metal components together by melting a very thin film where the components meet.

Thermite may be used for repair by the welding in-place of thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location. It can also be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. However, defects such as slag inclusions and holes are often present in such welded junctions and great care is needed to operate the process successfully.

A thermite reaction, when used to purify the ores of some metals, is called the Thermite process, or aluminothermic reaction. An adaptation of the reaction, used to obtain pure uranium, was developed as part of the Manhattan Project at Ames Laboratory under the direction of Frank Spedding. It is sometimes called the Ames process.

Copper thermite is used for welding together thick copper wires for the purpose of electrical connections. It is used extensively by the electrical utilities and telecommunications industries (Exothermic Welded Connections)."


Hmm...now why would thermite be present in the WTC...could it be because it was a large communication hub, including housing broadcast antennas for several local radio and tv networks, not to mention the sheer amount of demand such a building housing things like mta etc would require OR it was because Bush secretly plotted and blew up the building to wage war on Iraq in an effort to become one of the most disliked presidents ever and leave office in disagree.

Tough one I know. European "experts" really need to find a new hobby.

[Admiral Piett]

Like I say, I don't know what to believe. But I do not think Bush did this as that just sounds crazy. However, there is a lot of evidence suggesting we don't know all that happened.

[Nietzsche]

I think it's obvious what happened. A bunch of hooligans hijacked some planes, flew them into two buildings and killed nearly 3,000 people. The evidence is the rubble, video tapes, and eye witness accounts.

What is it with people and these vast conspiracy theories? I wonder if these same people aren't the slightest bit worried about the growing entitlement state or if it is simply an effort to demonize a party without access to evidence. Seems any suspicion these days is enough to infer guilt. Guess that's why the state continues to grow.

When will we learn?

[The Dude]

I think it's obvious what happened. A bunch of hooligans hijacked some planes, flew them into two buildings and killed nearly 3,000 people. The evidence is the rubble, video tapes, and eye witness accounts.

What is it with people and these vast conspiracy theories?

The fact that none of the evidence amounts to the official version of events. And besides, "conspiracy theory" makes it all sound so grand. I like to believe that there's nothing at all special about a bunch of politicians framing other people for their own crimes.

[Nietzsche]

The fact that none of the evidence amounts to the official version of events. And besides, "conspiracy theory" makes it all sound so grand. I like to believe that there's nothing at all special about a bunch of politicians framing other people for their own crimes.

So now the ruling party was framing Al Qaeda for the annihilation of the WTC?

ROFL...

What next? FDR had the financial support of the Illuminati to create hydroelectric stations so they could support radio projects in the Arizona desert which led to contact with extraterrestrials who guided him to victory against Hitler?

The human imagination is brilliant in its ability to create absurdity and disguise it with an imprinted pattern.

[The Dude]

So now the ruling party was framing Al Qaeda for the annihilation of the WTC?

ROFL...

What next? FDR had the financial support of the Illuminati to create hydroelectric stations so they could support radio projects in the Arizona desert which led to contact with extraterrestrials who guided him to victory against Hitler?

The human imagination is brilliant in its ability to create absurdity and disguise it with an imprinted pattern.

Personally I'm sure it went something along the lines of this:

People within Bush administration want to invade Iraq.
Popular support for invasion of Iraq is equal to zero.
New "Pearl Harbor" disaster gets designed.
Osama Bin Laden is paid large sums of money to pretend like he's the mastermind.
Osama goes into hiding for years and is thus somehow never found during military retalliation campaigns after the WTC disaster.
Osama laughs. Cheney and Rove laugh. Saddam doesn't laugh.
End of story.

That's all. Simply a few crooked politicians conjuring a plot that will allow them to invade a country they have a grudge against. Human history is full of this sort of thing, so I don't see why this is so incredibly hard to believe.

There is plenty material that points to the above scenario being the case. Personally, I've done what I could to research the material that is available. You have probably done nothing. You got told the official story and decided that it was good enough. Yet you laugh at me. Something doesn't add up there.

[Yaga Shu Ra]

The fact that none of the evidence amounts to the official version of events.

And your credentials are? Because surely an extensive amount of research preceded this conclusion.

[Adrian Laguna]

So they found traces of iron oxide and aluminium dust in the remains of steel buildings that got rammed by large aluminium aircraft, then concluded that the most logical explanation was thermite. Clearly, there can't be any other explanation as to why rubble from an office building would contain rust and the stuff they make soda cans and paper clips out of. This is as stupid as finding traces of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and lead in a gunshot victim, and concluding that he was killed by a charge of lead styphnate (explosive used in detonators).

[ELITEOFKINGWARMAN8]

I think it's obvious what happened. A bunch of hooligans hijacked some planes, flew them into two buildings and killed nearly 3,000 people. The evidence is the rubble, video tapes, and eye witness accounts.

What is it with people and these vast conspiracy theories? I wonder if these same people aren't the slightest bit worried about the growing entitlement state or if it is simply an effort to demonize a party without access to evidence. Seems any suspicion these days is enough to infer guilt. Guess that's why the state continues to grow.

When will we learn?

Amen to that!

[Valiant Champion]

Amen to that!

Warman!!

I would have thought you would have posted in this thread on the conspiracy theorists side.

What is that picture of a mongol horse archer for?

[Valiant Champion]

Owner's Admission?
Silverstein's Apparent Admission that Building 7 was Demolished

Larry Silverstein, the controller of Building 7, the third skyscraper to totally collapse on 9/11/01, gave an interview, portions of which were reproduced in a PBS documentary aired on September 10, 2002, entitled America Rebuilds. The story that Silverstein assented to the demolition of WTC 7, based on an excerpt from the interview, has been widely circulated on websites, books, and videos. This page first recounts that story, in much the same form as it appeared on earlier versions of this page, and then proceeds to examine the issue in greater depth.

'Pull it' as Demolition Admission
Silverstein apparently admitted that the building was deliberately demolished by the New York City Fire Department late in the afternoon.

Silverstein's alleded admission consists of his following on-camera statements shown in America Rebuilds.

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse. 1
What does Silverstein mean by "the decision to pull" Building 7? Many observers have suggested that a later passage in the same documentary indicates that, in this context, "pull" means to destroy a building through controlled demolition. In preparation for the controlled demolition of irreparably damaged Building 6, a Ground Zero worker says

... we're getting ready to pull the Building Six.
An alternative explanation for Silverstein's remark is that he was referring to a decision to "pull" firefighting operations in Building 7. That explanation is advanced in a September 9, 2005 statement issued by Stilverstein Properties spokesperson Mr. Dara McQuillan:

Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.

In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. 2
However, there are several problems with this explanation.

According to Chapter 5 of FEMA's Building Performance Study , firefighters were never in the building: "Preliminary indications were that, due to lack of water, no manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY."
Silverstein's statement implies a close temporal proximity between "that decision to pull" and "watch[ing] the building collapse," giving no time for the fires to become more severe and do what fires have never before done: cause the total collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
Of course there are even greater problems with the implication that Silverstein and the FDNY decided to demolish the building only after the attack on the Twin Towers.

Rigging a building for controlled demolition normally takes weeks of preparation -- far longer than the at most a few hours between the determination that "they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire," and the 5:20 PM collapse of the building.
The building had several areas of fire -- hardly conditions under which a demolitions team could be expected to lay high explosives.
However, if we imagine that the "decision to pull" had been made before 9/11/01, Silverstein's comment makes more sense as an admission that there had been a deliberate decision to demolish the building.

A Closer Look
Although many people are convinced that Silverstein's statement is an admission that he and the fire department commander conspired to demolish the building, the statement fails to support a case for such a crime.

The common assertion that "pull" is industry slang for demolition lacks support. A Google search for the term "pull" in relation to controlled demolition fails to return uses of "pull" meaning demolition outside of the widely circulated story of Silverstein's admission on 9/11 conspiracy sites. See the analysis on wtc7.net.
Even if "pull" were industry slang for demolition, there would be no reason to expect Silverstein to know this.
The above quote by a Ground Zero worker about pulling Building 6 is not evidence that "pull" means controlled demolition, since he was apparently referring to using cables to literally pull down portions of the building.
A more sophisticated interpretation of Silverstein's comment is that it is bait, eliciting the widespread circulation of an interpretation that is easily denied if not refuted. While failing to provide substantial evidence for the controlled demolition of WTC 7, the story has functioned to eclipse the overwhelming case for demolition based on the physical characteristics of the collapse documented in photographs and videos of the event and the rubble pile that resulted. Those visual documents establish that the building's collapse was an implosion exhibiting all of the features of a standard controlled demolition, including:

Very rapid speed of fall
Symmetric collapse around its vertical axis
Production of large quantities of dust
Collapse into a small, consolidated rubble pile, with exterior walls lying on top


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References

1. America Rebuilds, PBS, 9/10/02
2. 9/11 Revealed? New book repeats false conspiracy theories, usinfo.state.gov,


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/pullit.html

In Silverstein we have motive and due to his connections and wealth we have the means.

He leased the WTC complex (99 year) in July and had only recently insured them in August.

[danzig]

I see this thread is just going to rehash same old crap from past 8 years. Ill say what Ive said no less then half a dozen times, even if one believes Silverstein's "pull it" meant bring the building down it would have been for safety reasons and would in no way indicate a vast conspiracy. Silverstein's comments about it that conspiracy nutjobs use as evidence proves it since he went on about how the fire department evidently claimed they werent sure they could contain the fire.

His exact quote:
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

So even if as I said one believes building 7 was purposely brought down it would have been done not as part of a conspiracy but BECAUSE of the planes crashing into the WTC. Of course the simplest of explanations are often the most truthful, that Silverstein meant what he claims he meant, pull the firefights OUT. There is little reason to believe in the heat of the moment of he slipped with the "pull" comment as meaning bring the building down that he wouldnt have just said so. Why would he be purposely unclear? It makes no logical sense to say something that would arise suspicion if one is trying to hide something.

And yes yes of course all the i's arent dotted in the "offical" reason for everything but some people like to use that as opening to claim some wild alternative fantasy about it, to those people I say get a life.

[Valiant Champion]

get a life.

My life is centered around exposing the antics of the Military Industrial Complex. So I have a life.

[danzig]

My life is centered around exposing the antics of the Military Industrial Complex. So I have a life.

So expose then! Just dont make up fairy tales If there was credibility and substances behind 9/11 claims Id gladly call for the head of Bush on a platter but all that has been offered over past 8+ years is wild, unbelievable tales befitting of a Hollywood movie.

[Kiljan Arslan]

wasn't that an episode on the X files?