Why is Holocaust Denial a Criminal Offence, whereas Denial of Japanese War Crimes Isn't?

[Exarch]

question,
see, in austria and Germany, denying the holocuast, even debating the numbers of jewish victims are grounds for criminal prosecution in those countries.

Compare that to Japanese war crimes in asia, where even as late as last yr, when a top ranking chief of staff of japan's military Toshio Tamogami, claimed that during ww2:

it is a false accusation to say (Japan) was an aggressor nation

or take the fact that whereas the Nuremburg trials were quite thorough in bringing justice against Nazi war criminals, the War crimes tribunals of the far east failed to convict key members of the Japanese royal family implicated in wartime atrocities (quite damningly, with General Macarthur's help, it turned out).

double standards, no?

or was it all due to the zeitgeist of the time that considered asians to be of lesser qualities to jews/white people?

[sephodwyrm]

or was it all due to the zeitgeist of the time that considered asians to be of lesser qualities to jews/white people?

I thought this runs till today, bro.

But I think Europeans are being stupid to ban Holocaust denial. The people, harboring these mere thoughts, are believed to be dangerous and criminal? I personally think that a lot of people on TWC needs to be jailed for demanding outright genocide and ethnic cleansing, but Holocaust denial is a more serious crime. The Holocaust, IMO, is a historical fact that has been well atoned for and generous reparations were already granted to many of the aggrieved, while the perpetrators are being hunted down, trialed and sentenced. It's denial does not constitute criminality in my books. People should be free to have funny ideas, and this is one of them.

Unless of course, these deniers are those that committed the crime of the Holocaust itself.
Jailing people for mere thought deviation reeks of authoritarianism.

[Yorkshireman]

I thought this runs till today, bro.

But I think Europeans are being stupid to ban Holocaust denial.

Europeans ? A couple of countries out of dozens. Germans and Austrians have obviously their own reasons for not wanting the spectre of the holocaust becoming a political issue anymore.

Crimes committed in the East is the business of those countries involved so whats the point in trying to tie it to the holocaust? Makes no sense. What does German laws have to do with Japanese laws.

[Panzerbear]

its obvious - because there are more Jews in control of European and American policy making.
they would tie everything back to holocaust .

[Keravnos]

its obvious - because there are more Jews in control of European and American policy making.
they would tie everything back to holocaust .

Ok, now I got it. It makes sense. I found the answer to everything...
No, it's not 42....

It's teh evil jooz...

example,

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I have a bad cough...

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Yep, you guessed it, it's all teh jooz fault

Can't you anti-Semites come up with anything intelligent for a change?
Nope, seems you can't.

[Panzerbear]

Ok, now I got it. It makes sense. I found the answer to everything...
No, it's not 42....

It's teh evil jooz...

example,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have a bad cough...

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Yep, you guessed it, it's all teh jooz fault

Can't you anti-Semites come up with anything intelligent for a change?
Nope, seems you can't.

I dont understand why everytime the fact that Jews control the public policy, finance, and media brought up, its all the sudden anti-semitic? its not a good or bad thing, its a fact. Jews in general are a very tight community and they are also generally well-educated. so there are no surprises here if they are widely present as political elites, uber rich financiers, or owners of media conglomerates.

I am not an anti-semite. I am anti-Jews-hollier-than-thou type of attitude. they are not any different from anybody else, so they do not deserve any preferential treatment in my books, sorry. I dont care if 6 million Jews died under holocaust, it was in the first half of the last century. its a long time ago and it is not applicable to modern reality. my own countymen lost 27 million in that war and nobody even gives a .

[Keravnos]

Here we go again...

Why do you think that nobody gives a (not going to wub it) about your country's 27.000.000 dead? Why do you consider that any person having any amount of brain in their head would do anything but totally respect those and all those who died fighting the genociding beast otherwise known as hitler? Why does this always come down to my dead are more valuable than yours?

I have said it many times already and will continue to always say that had it not been for the russians who perished fighting Nazi, there is a chance that Nazis would have won, with you being a sub-human slave Panzerbear. Russians, even under the yoke of a stalinist dictator as part of USSR did their utmost to contain Hitler, first for their own sake then for the world.

Jews lost 6 million out of the 9 million present in Europe at that time. That means that 2/3 of the Jews of Europe died in the Holocaust. This indicates to me that if they were a European Nation (they certainly were treated as such by Nazis) they would have the highest death rate of any European Nation in WW2.

The Jewish dead in the Holocaust represent the most miserable point in modern history when a more than slightly madman just decided that a people shouldn't exist and set out to do so. There were many reasons put forth as to how and why the Holocaust is so important. You don't seem to get it, even if the reasons were explained again and again and again. I won't bother posting what you won't ever read. Just the following: Out of the 1850 Jews dragged out of their homes in Ioannina, Greece at 25th March 1944, the vast majority were decent, low paid, hard working people just like you and me, not rich overlords like you seem to suggest. They were only slain BECAUSE they were Jewish.

I dont understand why everytime the fact that Jews control the public policy, finance, and media brought up, its all the sudden anti-semitic? its not a good or bad thing, its a fact. Jews in general are a very tight community and they are also generally well-educated. so there are no surprises here if they are widely present as political elites, uber rich financiers, or owners of media conglomerates.

I am not an anti-semite. I am anti-Jews-hollier-than-thou type of attitude.

This reminds me something like the following pic, then...

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Then you go on saying that...

they are not any different from anybody else, so they do not deserve any preferential treatment in my books, sorry. I dont care if 6 million Jews died under holocaust, it was in the first half of the last century. its a long time ago and it is not applicable to modern reality.

when you have just said wrote that...

I dont understand why everytime the fact that Jews control the public policy, finance, and media brought up, its all the sudden anti-semitic? its not a good or bad thing, its a fact. Jews in general are a very tight community and they are also generally well-educated. so there are no surprises here if they are widely present as political elites, uber rich financiers, or owners of media conglomerates.

Hitler would hire you on the spot...

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[Kogen]

You can deny the numbers of Chinese dead because we know it is true. You cannot deny the Jewish death numbers, because they are afraid, as they know people will prove otherwise. The truth does not need absolute protection like this, only a lie would.

[Boyar Son]

Ok, now I got it. It makes sense. I found the answer to everything...
No, it's not 42....

It's teh evil jooz...

example,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have a bad cough...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yep, you guessed it, it's all teh jooz fault

Can't you anti-Semites come up with anything intelligent for a change?
Nope, seems you can't.

that's what the jews want you to think.

[gojira]

As for Germany, completely flattened as she was, there was no course open but to submit to the conquerors' will. At the Nuremberg trial and in a hundred other such courtroom spectacles, she was prevented from freely making a case in her defense and, without any veritable evidence, without any veritable technical or scientific investigation, her conquerors pronounced her guilty of incredible outrages. She bowed before them, accused herself as well and, for sixty years, her leaders and her elites have never ceased practicing the self flagellation imposed on the great vanquished nation. Germany has no other choice. Today, if ever a senior German official were to come out and denounce the lie of the "Holocaust", the resulting clamor of the Jews and the world media's indignation would take on such proportions that a boycott of Germany would be decreed, German equities would collapse in value and the country would head straight towards massive unemployment and ruin.

-- Prof. Faurisson

[Thorn777]

^What a small price to pay....start realizing our modern history instead of searching for the loopholes of an utterly disturbing and insulting fantasy.

[sephodwyrm]

Europeans ? A couple of countries out of dozens. Germans and Austrians

Bah, you guys look all the same to me.

have obviously their own reasons for not wanting the spectre of the holocaust becoming a political issue anymore.

Criminalizing thought deviation is going to make it more political.

[Yorkshireman]

Bah, you guys look all the same to me.

Yorkshire people generally stand out. We're considered better looking than most people in the UK or Europe.

[Visna]

Yorkshire people generally stand out. We're considered better looking than most people in the UK or Europe.

Only by fellow Yorkshire people I guess?

[Yorkshireman]

Only by fellow Yorkshire people I guess?

More or less.

What do you lads drink up in Leeds?

Anything in a bottle, meths, paint stripper, domestos etc

[Erebus Pasha]

Yorkshire people generally stand out. We're considered better looking than most people in the UK or Europe.

What do you lads drink up in Leeds?

[Ältester der Motten]

or was it all due to the zeitgeist of the time that

Aha.





Also, it's because the post-WWII German/Austrian governments that did not comprise members of the previous government that much were, to say the least, sorry about it, whereas the Imperial Japanese government which remained the ever-same Imperial Japanese government was not.



I don't get your point. Oh right, there is none.

[Dr. Croccer]

Because Jews were killed here by Nazis, and not Chinese, who were killed on the other end of the world.

Similairly, you could ask why Japan doesn't have Holocaust denial as an offence? It didn't affect them?

Yorkshire people generally stand out. We're considered better looking than most people in the UK or Europe.

Can't say the same about the towns, however.

[Yorkshireman]

Can't say the same about the towns, however.

Thats true, apart from maybe York.

[Dr. Croccer]

There is substance to his claim though...