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    As many might know, the person being interviewed, Dick "Shoot em in the face" Cheney was the Vice President under George Bush. Many believe he was actually the one making most of the Presidential decisions. Both he and the the former President have diverged greatly since the election in terms of publicly critisizing the new administration. George Bush is taking the traditional approach of not publicly critisizing his successor...Dick Cheny meanwhile has become a follower of the Rush "Aren't I godly despite the pills" Limbaugh.

    In this interview, he states that the GOP should not moderate their platforms to appeal to more voters.
    As someone who voted for GWB twice, but hasn't shed one tear at all after voting for Obama, I find Cheney's advice....ummm...interesting.

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    Is he right? Or should they change?

    Depends on which side you're on. If they remain 'fundamentalists', they'll never going to win an election, so ironically one who disagrees with good old Dick has to support him all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeros View Post
    If they remain 'fundamentalists', they'll never going to win an election
    I'm not so sure about that.

    A lot can happen in a couple of terms, especially with the economic crisis.
    And the public does tend to forget past mistakes.



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    The GOP (always thought that was an odd name since the Democrats are the older party) are going to be in serious trouble if Cheney becomes the face of the party. I think the Republican party should moderate. It was not too long ago that people were talking about the Democrats needing to moderate after Liberman was forced out of the party after loosing a primary but winning the election, much as Spector thought would happen to him. Now the Democrats are in power, at least in part to the Blue Dog Democrats. It would only take around 40 of the 51 Blue Dogs in the House switching parties (which I doubt would happen) for the Republicans to be in control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boer View Post
    It would only take around 40 of the 51 Blue Dogs in the House switching parties (which I doubt would happen) for the Republicans to be in control.
    "only"???

    Look at the Repubs who are regularly in the news, speaking about party issues....Cheney...Rove...Limbaugh..Palin.

    It seems as if they honestly don't have a clue about how to connect with the MAJORITY of Americans, and the last time I checked it took a majority to win an election.

    They surely have a right to retain their focus on issues important to Bible-beating, lily-white folks.....but then they should give up the notion of being a major party.
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    The party does need to change, but in a way Cheney would approve.

    The party needs to become conservative again, not conservative lite like it was under Bush.

    'Compassionate Conservatism' was a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento View Post
    It seems as if they honestly don't have a clue about how to connect with the MAJORITY of Americans, and the last time I checked it took a majority to win an election.


    BUSH: 50,456,002
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    The party does need to change, but in a way Cheney would approve.

    The party needs to become conservative again, not conservative lite like it was under Bush.

    'Compassionate Conservatism' was a mistake.
    What? Bush was a compassionate Conservative!? Christ almighty, tell me you were not serious...

    ...wait...do you even know what Conservatism is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post


    BUSH: 50,456,002
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    What? Bush was a compassionate Conservative!? Christ almighty, tell me you were not serious...

    ...wait...do you even know what Conservatism is?
    You know why Bush has that slut-puppy grin on right? He knows whats waiting on the other side of the door...


    Sorry I'm not puter literate enough to copy the picture itself, but in this case, it's prolly for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post


    What? Bush was a compassionate Conservative!? Christ almighty, tell me you were not serious...

    ...wait...do you even know what Conservatism is?
    Christ almighty stick to UK politics will ya. You don't have a clue what I'm talking about obviously so it doesn't concern you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Christ almighty stick to UK politics will ya. You don't have a clue what I'm talking about obviously so it doesn't concern you.
    He likes to play that trick.

    Don't worry, I'm keeping on eye on him.
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    @ Mikulus Trento, I would edit out that link, it is against the rules, and you will be banned for it!


    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Christ almighty stick to UK politics will ya. You don't have a clue what I'm talking about obviously so it doesn't concern you.
    Conservatism was founded in Britain, not America. In addition, Conservatism is Conservatism, there is no difference. So tell me, in what ways was Bush a compassionate conservative? And what constitutes Conservatism?

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    Well, I guess the conclusion here is: Don't listen to Dick Cheney. If the Republicans want to keep the Democrats at bay, they must reform themselves.

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    I think the GOP should go back to small government, free market and non-interventionist policies. Ron Paul would make a great leader for the party. Unfortunately he is being cast aside.

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    The Republicans need an Obama of their own...

    Aged in the 40s, Veteran of Afghanistan or Iraq (preferably Afghanistan), was either a Guardsman/Reservists called up who worked as a businessman or left the military to work for a business, run for Congress soon, and in 2016 challenge for the Presidential seat.

    And they need a big tent philosophy and kick out those who fight this. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity hurt the party.
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    Last time Cheney was right was back in what 90 or 91 when he said marching to Baghdad and toppling Saddam would be foolish. My guess is somewhere between 90 and 2000 Cheney was replaced by a cyborg because he use to be reasonable. I understand what he probably means about upholding to principles but I think Jeb Bush(who would ever thought a Bush could be intelligent), Romney and Cantor with their recent meeting are far more on the right track then the Cheneys or Palins of the GOP is.

    Ignore Cheney, ignore Palin and other former Bush admin officals and start listening to the holy trinity of Jeb, Mitt and Eric. Ever think Jeb Bush wakes up in the morning stares in the mirror and just unloads cursing out his brother for making the last name Bush a huge negative. I mean Jeb is the smart one, Jeb is the one pegged to carry on Bush political future...hell he even differs from his brother in that he signed up for the draft during Vietnam but the war ended before his number came up. Its like Superman and Bizarro Superman when looking at Jeb and George.
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    Why? Mitt Romney is another McCain ready to abandon his principles to appease the Christian Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Why? Mitt Romney is another McCain ready to abandon his principles to appease the Christian Right.
    And he learned that lesson that it wont work because to alot of them he isnt even a Christian Besides name one politician that doesnt try and appease the base to get the nomination, even the messiah in the white house did it and now gays are asking WHAT ABOUT US since he has run full steam ahead away from gay marriage issue. Im not saying Romney is right or perfect or even that I agree with him but Im saying listen to what he and the other two are saying about the need to move back towards the center for GOP, to return to actual principles of the GOP...not the principles of neocons. He might be wrong on everything else but he is right on the direction GOP needs to take.

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    yes the GOP needs reform, and it needs it ing fast. Time for them to return to true conservatism - Barry Goldwater's conservatism

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan
    The Republicans need an Obama of their own...

    Aged in the 40s, Veteran of Afghanistan or Iraq (preferably Afghanistan), was either a Guardsman/Reservists called up who worked as a businessman or left the military to work for a business, run for Congress soon, and in 2016 challenge for the Presidential seat.

    And they need a big tent philosophy and kick out those who fight this. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity hurt the party.
    Petraeus? I'd vote for him

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    I would like to read some of what he says if what you say is true. The centre of the spectrum is what the party should aim for.

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