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    Default General Giap, yes that General Giap, takes on Vietnamese Government over environment

    Fifty-five years after masterminding a military victory that led to the end of French colonial rule in Indochina, Vietnam's celebrated General Vo Nguyen Giap is still fighting.

    The 98-year-old's latest battle - with words rather than bullets - is to save the environment and his "enemy" is bauxite mining.

    The battle to save the environment may be Giap's toughest fight yet [Photo: T. Fawthrop]
    In its quest for rapid economic development, Vietnam's government has committed to mining an estimated 5.3 billion tonnes of bauxite, the main ore in aluminium, most of it located in the Central Highlands province of Dak Nong.

    Giap, who orchestrated the historic defeat of the French army at Dien Bien Phu on May 7, 1954, has called on the Vietnamese government to halt those plans, citing environmental damage, harm to ethnic minorities, and a threat to national security as reasons.

    The man who led North Vietnamese forces against the US in the Vietnam War has written two open letters - the latest just last month - against the government's bauxite plans, and his stand appears to have inspired others.

    In a rare expression of public opposition in the one-party communist country, 135 intellectuals and scientists signed a petition that was delivered to the president of the national assembly in Hanoi.

    "We shouldn't exploit the bauxite. The exploitation will cause serious consequences on the environment, society and national defence"

    General Vo Nguyen Giap
    They called on the government to stop further development of new bauxite projects in the Central Highlands until a proper investigation of the environmental impact is completed.

    Nguyen Tan Dung, the prime minister, has called bauxite mining "a major policy of the party and the state" and says the projects will go ahead while environmental issues are addressed.

    But according to Professor Vo Quy, one of the country's foremost environmentalists, "damage to the environment far outweighs any economic benefits".

    "I support economic development, but not bauxite mines," he told Al Jazeera, adding that the Central Highlands was an "area of stunning beauty with rich eco-tourism potential and a highly productive agricultural zone".

    Fallout fears

    Environmentalist fear bauxite red sludge would destroy fertile lands [EPA]
    Bauxite extraction produces thousands of tonnes of toxic waste known as "red sludge" according to Quy and other experts.

    Vietnam's fledgling environmental movement fears the toxic residue could poison rivers that flow into heavily populated areas, including the vital Mekong Delta in the south - home to fish farms and some of Vietnam's most productive rice paddies.

    In his letters, Giap called on scientists, managers and social activists to "suggest to the party and the state to have a sound policy on the bauxite projects in the Central Highlands".

    "It is also my opinion that we shouldn't exploit the bauxite. The exploitation will cause serious consequences on the environment, society and national defence," he wrote.

    The general also cited a 1980s report that warned the government that exploiting bauxite in the region "would cause devastating, long-term ecological damage, not only for local residents, but would also harm the lives and environment of people in the southern plains of the central provinces".

    Contract signed

    Despite pressure from the general, the government has gone ahead and signed a contract with a subsidiary of Chinese aluminium firm Chinalco to mine bauxite in the highlands.

    But it did organise a two-day seminar in Hanoi last month for scientists to discuss how to minimise damage to the environment from bauxite mining.

    And it said that the Chinese bauxite project would be reduced in scale, with restrictions placed on the numbers of Chinese workers.

    Critics had complained that having thousands of Chinese mine workers in the strategic Central Highlands was an unacceptable security threat, given Vietnam's long history of conflict with its northern neighbour.

    Nguyen Thien, a Vietnamese writer says the project "is all so illogical and irrational that many people suspect it is a part of a secret deal between Vietnam and China with strategic implications".

    Still others say that bauxite mining is not even commercially viable since it requires a lot of water and electricity – commodities often in short supply in Vietnam.

    Professor Dao Cong Tien, a former president of Ho Chi Minh City's Economics University, says the mining was likely to result in a water shortage which would severely affect Central Highlands agricultural producers.

    Nguyen Huu Ninh, a Nobel Prize winner for his work on climate change, questions whether bauxite projects benefit the nation.

    "There is no sense in a project that does not bring benefits to local people," he says.

    But despite the doubts and objections, the government has said that the bauxite project will go ahead.

    For Giap, the general who has triumphed in wars of resistance against French, and later US forces, the battle to protect the forests and rivers of the Central Highlands from the encroachments of Chinese economic may prove to be his toughest yet.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...120956564.html

    #1 - Giap is still alive? Have the Vietnamese discovered the secret to immortality?

    #2 - What do you think of the developing world damaging the environment to achieve growth? Is the cost worth the gain?
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    First off, props to Giap for being alive and for taking on such an uphill battle at his age. Now, to the issue at hand.

    The initial economic results from projects such as these usually outweigh the negatives associated with them - in the short term. Bauxite mining isn't a walk in the park, and the environmental effects will likely be widespread..honestly I know nothing about Vietnamese regulations but I doubt they're stringent at all. Beyond the mine poses to the natural world, it's also going to affect people. So before we know it, a 119 year old Giap is going to be saying "I told you so" after a town's children are all born with diseases and deformities.

    The mining provides some wealth in the short term, but the destruction of the land, especially in a place where it sounds like environmental tourism could occur, seems short-sighted.

    My 2c. Now back to this bloody paper.

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    That 'yes that General Giap' in the title really does clear things up .

    I don't really know what to say about this, other than my being amazed that he is still alive and kicking (ass?)

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    Default Re: General Giap, yes that General Giap, takes on Vietnamese Government over environment

    general giap
    bully for him on keeping it alive and for shizzle, about his regard for the environment

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    Henry Alligham is 112 years old and fought during wwi

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    Short term planning seems stupid, but let's be honest here it's what every government always does. Yes the guy who should be enjoying doing nothing and slowly dying instead of fighting over this is right it is short sighted and it is stupid and I do hope he get's his way.

    But it's not going to happen, and every country in the possition of Vietnam would make the decision to just carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    What do you think of the developing world damaging the environment to achieve growth? Is the cost worth the gain?
    Absolutely not because the gains are not sustainable. Unless you think the Rapture is just around the corner there is no sense to push for maximum growth over the next two generations which will only improvish the 10 generations (or more) after them.

    THE ONLY WAY TO SUSTAIN AN ECONOMY LONG-TERM IS POPULATION CONTROL, PERIOD. Industrialization will not keep them growing on an exponential rate forever. The population -will- hit an upper bound with unrestrained growth, probably within this century. The Chinese and Japanese realize this already and the rest of the world better wake up sooner than later. Particularly because all the major problems in our societies are related directly to overpopulation (pollution, global warming, war, uncontrolled immigration..) and will be reduced as the populations decline to sustainable levels again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishy View Post
    But it's not going to happen, and every country in the possition of Vietnam would make the decision to just carry on.
    So what. Why follow the rest of the third world off the same cliff? Let the Vietnamese prove they are smarter, and perhaps set an example for the rest of the the region, and indeed the world, to follow. Should they not aspire to be better?
    Last edited by bleach; May 08, 2009 at 11:07 AM.

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