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    The shocking truth:
    http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/Rec...5/Default.aspx
    28 April, 2009
    Squamish Nation territory, west coast of Canada

    To the people of Italy, from a gathering of clan elders of aboriginal nations in Canada

    Dear friends,

    We greet you warmly and ask that you receive this message and take it to heart, for it is spoken on behalf of tens of thousands of our relatives, little children, who died and were killed in boarding schools run by the Roman Catholic church across Canada.

    Between 1890 and 1996, over 50,000 aboriginal children died in the Indian residential schools across Canada mostly because of the Roman Catholic church, which established and ran over two-thirds of these "schools". Many of these children died from beatings, tortures, being deliberately exposed to deadly diseases and not helped, and other deliberate homicidal actions.

    Not one person has ever been brought to trial for the death of any of these children, and the Catholic church refuses to say where these children or buried or how they died.

    This week, the Pope, Joseph Ratzinger, will be issuing a so-called "apology" for the harm caused in these Indian residential schools. We do not accept his apology, for genocide and mass murder cannot be apologized for, or made better with words.

    Instead, we ask the Pope to take full responsibility for the murderous acts of his church over centuries towards our peoples.

    We demand that the Pope do the following, to prove that he is genuinely regretful for the deeds of his church in the Canadian Indian residential schools:

    1. Identify where the children are buried who died in these Catholic schools, and order that their remains be returned home to their families for a proper burial;

    2. Identify and surrender the persons responsible for their deaths;

    3. Fully disclose all evidence related to their deaths, and to crimes in the residential schools, by opening the Vatican archives and all other church records for public scrutiny;

    4. Revoke the papal bulls known as Romanus Pontifex (1455) and Inter Catera (1493), and all other laws which gave religious and legal sanction to the conquest and destruction of non-Christian aboriginal peoples in the New World;

    5. Revoke the Vatican policy, crafted in part by the present Pope, which requires that Bishops and priests suppress evidence of the abuse of children within their churches and silence the victims;

    6. Come in person to Canada, to the poorest neighbourhoods where Indian residential school survivors live, and ask these people for their forgiveness for the genocidal actions and policies of his church, and pledge publicly that these actions and policies will never be repeated, and finally,

    7. Present himself in person before an International War Crimes Tribunal into Genocide in Canada, and answer charges that he and his church are responsible and liable for the destruction and deaths of untold millions of aboriginal people.

    We believe that these demands on the Pope, Joseph Ratzinger, are fair and just, and are those to be expected if justice is to be served and God honored.

    In making these demands, we publicly disassociate ourselves from the so-called aboriginal leader from Canada, "Chief" Phil Fontaine, who will appear with the Pope as part of this "apology". Mr. Fontaine does not represent aboriginal people in Canada, but serves the Canadian government. He never consulted our elders or any aboriginal people before going to Rome.

    We ask that the Italian people pressure the Pope and the Catholic church to agree to these demands. We also ask that you learn more about the Canadian genocide at the website below, and to contact our organization, The Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared, whose representatives will be visiting your country in September and October.

    In the spirit of truth and brotherhood, we are

    Twelve Elders in Council representing the Cree, Squamish, Haida, Metis and Anishinabe Aboriginal Nations

    Elder Jeremiah Jourdain
    Chief Louis Daniels (Whispers Wind)
    Council spokespeople
    http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/Rec...4/Default.aspx

    Why the Pope is Not Sorry: It's Time to End the Lie
    by Rev. Kevin D. Annett
    www.hiddenfromhistory.org

    "You are from your father, the Devil. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he acts according to his nature, for he is a liar and the Father of lies."
    Jesus, quoted in John 8:44

    "Look boys, if we're going to worship a poor, humble man, we're going to need a rich, hierarchical institution to do it with!"
    Monty Python's "Vice Pope Eric"

    The lie playing itself out this week in Rome is hardly new, or surprising. By the standards of the Vatican, it is actually a relatively obvious untruth. But for Pope Joseph Ratzinger to pose as someone who is sorry for what his church did to aboriginal people in Canada is about as sincere as the proclamations of his cash-strapped papal predecessors who ruled that it was a sin to believe that Jesus was a poor man - or, that one could buy one's way into salvation with enough payouts to the church.

    Expediency should never be confused with the truth.

    Like a little boy caught with a rock in his hand, Pope Joseph is in serious trouble, now that Canada has had to admit that thousands of native kids died at the hands of the Catholic church, which established and ran most of the Indian residential schools. But to make things worse, Joe himself is personally implicated in the whole mess, since in writing he ordered Bishops and priests to suppress evidence of the violence done against not only native children, but any victim of priestly sexual assault, on pain of excommunication.

    Covering up a crime is itself a crime, under any law, and Joe knows it. And so does the Oregon circuit court judge who ruled recently that survivors of any assault by a Catholic priest could sue the Vatican itself for damages.

    International human rights lawyers have tried serving papers on Pope Joe a few times, and extraditing him into American courts because of his complicity in the silencing of church victims while he was a cardinal. But the Canadian residential school crimes are a lot more serious, now that mass graves have been identified. The Vatican has to quickly quell the threat of a War Crimes Tribunal summoning Pope Joe to answer questions, relying on the standard legal panacea known as "the apology".

    Let's get clear about this word, and its corollary term so bandied about by guilty parties, "reconciliation" . Neither an apology nor a "reconciliation" has anything to do with being regretful or truly sorry, or with actually admitting that one has done something wrong. An "apologetic" means to defend and justify some act. Both words are about avoiding responsibility for a violent crime through a process of public and legal indemnification, whereby victims absolve the perpetrator and shield them from any consequences.

    Put simply, if you're wealthy enough, you can get away with any crime, with the right words. And the Catholic church, as the oldest, wealthiest, and most systematic murderer on the planet, is a master of constructing words, which is the one and only skill required by the Lie.

    Backtrack in time to the high middle ages, when the Vatican launched its crusades against "Saracens and pagans" abroad, and dissident Christians at home. A legal system was needed to justify the church's slaughter and conquest of all those Others, whether in the middle east or on distant continents. Papal lawyers came up with something called an Indulgence, a brilliant device which made it a virtue to loot, rape and murder, if these acts were done in the name of the church.

    In 1095, Pope Urban II declared that Christian crusaders were absolved from any consequences for crimes they may commit in the upcoming war against Muslims, and indeed were spiritually elevated by waging such a war. The violence of the church became a virtue, under canon law.

    By implication, those "unbelievers" damaged by the Crusaders had no basis to claim that wrong was done to them, since they were the cause of the war, and in fact the "unbelievers" had to make restitution to the church for having caused the violence done against them!

    That act of restitution was termed a Reconciliation.

    During the Spanish Inquisition, for example, Catholics who had "lapsed" and become Lutherans were "reconciled through loss of property and compelled to endure prison terms". In 1612, five citizens of Madrid were "subjected to reconciliation for Judaism and committed to the galleys as slaves". And the same fate awaited American Indians. In 1690, the Bishop of Oaxaca in Mexico "discovered organized idolatry in eleven pueblos of Indians, and held an auto (inquisition) in which the culprits were reconciled and penanced, twenty of them being condemned to perpetual prison ...". (1)

    To quote the medieval historian Henry Charles Lea,

    "Reconciliation to the Church entailed confiscation and was usually accompanied with other penalties according to the record of the culprit and the readiness with which he confessed and recanted. There might be prison, public humiliation, scourging or the galleys." (2)

    This concept of blaming a victim for their suffering at the hands of the church, and of expecting any critic or opponent of the church to do penance on the latter's terms, is based on a basic Biblical and Roman notion that the mighty are always right, and the conquered must make amends to the conqueror.

    The core paradigm of European Christendom, and culture, is in fact the belief that mankind fell away from God in rebellion, and to win salvation must be reconquered by and "reconciled" to God (and, by implication, to the church) through penance and submission. The rebel thereby indemnifies the conqueror by acknowledging that the violence done by him was right and justified, freeing him from responsibility, and in effect stating to the world that there was no crime committed, except by the conquered rebel.

    The Romans used this ritual re-submission of a conquered chieftain in their public religious ceremonies, prior to executing the chieftain by strangulation. And as the heir to the Roman Empire, the Catholic church incorporated this practice into its treatment of any enemy it conquered, including dissident Christians, aboriginal people or Muslims.

    That practice, quite naturally, continues to the present day, albeit in a more secularized version. We have witnessed it played out in the residential schools drama in Canada, in which the church, Catholic and Protestant, has been publicly vindicated for any wrongdoing by the re-submission of its victims, in this case the aboriginal survivors of the schools.

    After undergoing public humiliation, through recounting their tortures and receiving an insultingly minimal "compensation" in return for their promised silence, native survivors have freed the perpetrators of any liability by declaring that the churches are in fact not guilty of any crime, through their waiving of any legal action against the churches.

    The fact that every Canadian Prime Minister since 1968, save one, has been a Catholic, has certainly helped the Vatican force the re-submission and "reconciliation" of its aboriginal victims, and avoid responsibility for mass murder. As a fundamentalist Protestant, Prime Minister Steven Harper perhaps felt freer to name the crime of the Vatican by finally responding to the evidence of genocide and the cries of the survivors, and opening the whole residential school can of worms in April of 2007.

    But the essential point is that Pope Joseph's upcoming "apology" to residential school survivors is not an admission of wrongdoing on the part of the church, or even an expression of regret: a fact indicated by the manner in which native chiefs from Canada will be "received in audience" with the Pope, in exactly the same way that the Roman Emperor accepted the supplication of conquered chieftains at his palace - on his terms, and his alone. The chiefs will stand before the Emperor, again, to state that the latter is not guilty, and to seek readmission to the fold.

    There is no other explanation to the fact that, as part of his "apology", the Pope will not be forced to revoke Papal laws authorizing the genocidal conquest of native people, nor disclose the buried location of residential school children, nor surrender those responsible for their deaths.

    If Joseph Ratzinger was actually "apologizing" in the sense that most of us understand the word, he would travel to the victims, not they to him, and beg their forgiveness. He would disclose the truth, open the secret archives, and give his victims a proper burial. And he would stop instructing his priests and Bishops to hide the evidence of violence still being done against children in the Catholic church.

    The fact that Joseph Ratzinger will be doing none of these things this week, but rather issuing words that will protect his church and himself from any hint of wrongdoing and from any legal liability for the death of tens of thousands of little children, indicates exactly who is in charge of this latest spectacle.

    The Father of Lies, indeed.

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    Kevin Annett is a community minister and educator in Vancouver, Canada who works with aboriginal survivors of Christian residential schools. He is the author of two books on genocide in Canada, and is the co-producer of the award-winning documentary film on Canadian Indian residential schools, UNREPENTANT.

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    Post-script:
    Some Modest Proposals
    to Undo a Legacy of Religious Genocide in Canada

    1. Annul the charitable tax-exempt status of the Roman Catholic church in Canada, and tax this church for all back payments owed to the people and indigenous nations of Canada for stolen lands, resources and lives.

    2. End diplomatic recognition of the Vatican and expel the Papl Nuncio from Canada.

    3. Issue a summons to Pope Joseph Ratzinger to appear before a War Crimes Tribunal convened on sovereign indigenous land, and answer charges of his complicity in crimes against humanity, specifically the deaths of more than 50,000 children in Indian Residential Schools across Canada.

    Go to youtube to watch the video you can see the entire documentary.

    This is only the first part

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...3CFF9813E3A20D
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    I live out in the west (Kansas) and stories like this don't surprise me at all. i hear stories handed down from generation to generation in this region of massacres of Indian people and their general mistreatment. the story you posted is pretty dramatic though. didn't know my own church did something like that so recently.

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    canada appologized publicly for that last summer or was it for s th similar?

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    Yes, the Canadian government already apologized for this.
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    While I don't agree with the boarding school system, I really don't think that it counts as genocide. It wasn't the design of the system to purposely cause harm to the Native Americans.

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    Canada can do no evil, we are the purest country in the whole world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Scratch View Post
    While I don't agree with the boarding school system, I really don't think that it counts as genocide. It wasn't the design of the system to purposely cause harm to the Native Americans.

    Apart from what was already said, you must take into account that it was the attempted removal of the First Nations as a separate identity. Basically you have a generation that has a gap in its culture, due to them not being allowed to practice their language and culture in these "schools." Instead they were being incorporated into a government desired or "white" way of life. So when they are introduced to their original family they can not even communication with their elders due to, above all things, a language barrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJaN View Post
    Apart from what was already said, you must take into account that it was the attempted removal of the First Nations as a separate identity. Basically you have a generation that has a gap in its culture, due to them not being allowed to practice their language and culture in these "schools." Instead they were being incorporated into a government desired or "white" way of life. So when they are introduced to their original family they can not even communication with their elders due to, above all things, a language barrier.
    Wouldn't this be more the fault of the government than the Catholic church though?

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    There is a real issue here but things like...

    '7. Present himself in person before an International War Crimes Tribunal into Genocide in Canada, and answer charges that he and his church are responsible and liable for the destruction and deaths of untold millions of aboriginal people.'

    ...are pushing it a bit if the issue is the schools stay on point don't try to color the issue with a broad and pointless statement about milliuons of deaths that have no relationship to the issue at hand.

    similarly

    4. Revoke the papal bulls known as Romanus Pontifex (1455) and Inter Catera (1493), and all other laws which gave religious and legal sanction to the conquest and destruction of non-Christian 4. Revoke the papal bulls known as Romanus Pontifex (1455) and Inter Catera (1493), and all other laws which gave religious and legal sanction to the conquest and destruction of non-Christian aboriginal peoples in the New World; in the New World;
    Seems like fishing around in long gone history at the time conquest was rather in vogue and its not like 'aboriginal peoples' were not also conquers when able to. This rather seems like crying about loosing out in broad historical trends - it all rather too late.

    I should say I think residential schools were odious and I don't argue there intent was very much to enforce integration. But I have a some issues with the broad time frame used. Say in the 10 years from 1890 - 1900 how many pupils suffered or were killed or died in regular British boarding schools, or in reform schools in the US. 50,000 sounds horrific but over a century and across Canada perhaps not so much. I just curious what the statistical comparison is to other types of residential schools essentially in the early period.
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    Ah yes. Another genocide. Let's call everything in history a genocide now.

    End the silence about the genocide of the Cathars!

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    If my Canadian History Class is correct, the aboriginals never fought wars before the Europeans arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukada1 View Post
    If my Canadian History Class is correct, the aboriginals never fought wars before the Europeans arrived.
    Yep, the Europeans invented war. Before they showed up, everyone just danced with unicorns and slid down rainbows and hugged each other all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukada1 View Post
    If my Canadian History Class is correct, the aboriginals never fought wars before the Europeans arrived.
    Apart from the Huron and Iroquois, of course, two big confederacies that spanned across most of southern central Canada and northern parts of the US who fought short, explosive wars over more simpeler reasons than the Europeans.
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    If my Canadian History Class is correct, the aboriginals never fought wars before the Europeans arrived.
    I wonder than did the Aztecs just find volunteers?

    Yep, the Europeans invented war. Before they showed up, everyone just danced with unicorns and slid down rainbows and hugged each other all day.
    Don't forget the pretty pink pony tea parties
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

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    it's impossible vatican will apologize for something like that. Utopia

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    I think all the requests accept the last are fair.

    The natives of my country (New Zealand) seem to have been the most fairly treated of all
    Especially in comparison to North America

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    50,000 in a population as small as canadian natives were and are, is alot. Yes the elimination of aborginals in the US and Canada was intentional. They were quite happy with result A. Indian converts completely to white culture or B. Indian is dead. My family had many horror stories from boarding schools. My dad and grandfather were both abused horribly at these institutions.

    Tied to a radiator for speaking his language so his back burned so badly that he nearly died.
    My father was repeatedly hit with a hammer, his face has since been reconstructed. My brother was taken away and we didnt find him until 30 years later.

    The fact that native americans in the US since 1790 suffered the worst extinction rate of any racial group in the world 3 times greater than that of the holocaust bears fruit that it was intentional.

    More indians died from being moved into reservations than died from warfare. You dont think that the government knew that putting indians into places where you cant grow a damn thing and not giving them food and medicine and preventing them from hunting, wouldnt result in massive death rates? You have to be a complete moron to believe it wasnt intentional.

    You dont need bullets to kill people just put them in a guarded camp and watch them starve to death or die of disease is the easiest way to kill people. So the good ol US of A can claim that indians mostly died of disease and starvation not from warfare. Of course that doesnt preclude the fact that there are thousands of massacre sites in the US not just a couple of random ones but thousands.
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    50,000 in a population as small as canadian natives were and are, is alot. Yes the elimination of aborginals in the US and Canada was intentional. They were quite happy with result A. Indian converts completely to white culture or B. Indian is dead. My family had many horror stories from boarding schools. My dad and grandfather were both abused horribly at these institutions.
    Is it really I don't mean to be a prick - but again what was the death and illness rate in British boarding schools or similar institutions in the US at the time? You can find similar stories of abuse for British boarding schools, so I guess my problem is establish a significant outlier for the Canadian schools. I don't disagree that the goal was odious but I wonder what the track record of reform schools was in the US and Canada at the same time.

    The fact that native americans in the US since 1790 suffered the worst extinction rate of any racial group in the world 3 times greater than that of the holocaust bears fruit that it was intentional.
    Really based on what? Look I'm no big supporter of the US policy toward Native Americans and I think the BIA (or whatever they call it now) should just be liquidated and a new clean start should be launched. But I don't buy that kind on historical superlative its difficult to prove and based against other even more difficult to prove events form history. I guess I willing to look at issue in recent times and under recent understandings as valid and germain but going back 200 or 300+ years is just not worthwhile. Thus with the schools in say 1920 I want to see some solid work to show they were demonstrably more brutal than other kinds of boarding and reform schools - before you start making them out to be uniquely brutal.
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    Also, how is this the fault of the Catholic Church? What does Pope Benedict XVI have to do with any of this?

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    The death rate in indian boarding schools was light years higher than in white boarding schools.

    The death rate in Canada's boarding schools was 30% roughly comparable to Aushwitz which has a rate of 15 to 30%. Some say as high as 60% but the total death toll is not known.


    US death rates:
    American Indian students had a higher death rate, six and one half times that of other racial/ethnic groups


    Unlisted (2001). The Challenges and Limitations of Assimilation. The Brown Quarterly 4(3),

    Catholic Church ran most of the boarding schools.
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