[FAILED 05/16/09] [Citizen] {BHC}Warman888 (Patron: Thanatos)

**Soulghast** · May 07, 2009, 01:21 PM

Patron: ThanatosTo the esteemed members of the CdeC:

{BHC} Warman888 has shown himself to be a positive influence and an all around likable individual around the Total War Center forums. He has worked for a good while as both a Local Moderator, as well as contributing through working on both the TWC Wiki and the Eagle Standard.

Given his quality of work, I am therefore happy to nominate {BHC} Warman888 for Citizenship.

Previous attempt here.

My personal opinion: I can't say I think much of his contributions. His wiki work isn't particularly impressive, while his debating is quite bad, as demonstrated by his debate on abortion here. I wouldn't personally vote for him just yet.

**pannonian** · May 07, 2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Soulghast

Client: {BHC} Warman888I enjoyed and always do enjoy my experiences here at TWC. I came here looking to have fun in the TWC Multiplayer community. By being a Local Moderator of the RTW MP sub-forum and a MP Writer for the ES, I am trying to help the MP players of TWC. I like to be patronized so I can continue helping the TWC MP community and TWC in general with my citizenship status. After I become patronized, I will continue to serve TWC by providing service to the Multiplayer community on this forum, and continue to run good quality Interactive History games.

Here are a few of my contributions:
Sub-Forum:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1135

I'll just point out that this interactive history is an unauthorised and uncredited copy of Kagemusha's IH at the Org - Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History.

**the Black Prince** · May 07, 2009, 02:58 PM

I'd point out that he's not being proposed as a debator, so he's not exactly going to stand or fall based on that...

**Soulghast** · May 07, 2009, 03:04 PM

Citizen, Civitate or Artifex, it doesn't really make a difference. The CdeC should take into account all of his merits and demerits, be them modding, debating or anything else.

**Pontifex Maximus** · May 08, 2009, 05:22 AM

Nah brah.

**Garnier** · May 08, 2009, 10:42 AM

I'll just point out that this interactive history is an unauthorised and uncredited copy of Kagemusha's IH at the Org - Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History.

And he's handled this issue poorly (quite obvious since he still hasn't gotten permission from Kagemusha, or even credited him with it). I can't vote yes with this in mind. And I wouldn't vote yes even without it.

So, I'm voting no.

**Guy** · May 08, 2009, 02:13 PM

I feel as if he is getting there. He's finding his steps in the right direction now and as you can see by his posts he may need some time before he fully blossoms you might say. Also, bearing in mind what pannonian has said, this changes my decision further. In time, possibly a yes.

He has done some good work however in the/for the TWC Wiki. However, looking at recent projects which are pieces that need completetion, I can find no posts of work he has done or checked off which makes me think he's not doing the job he's supposed to.

For now however, I'm afraid for now I have to abstain.

**Viking Prince** · May 08, 2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Garnier

And he's handled this issue poorly (quite obvious since he still hasn't gotten permission from Kagemusha, or even credited him with it). I can't vote yes with this in mind. And I wouldn't vote yes even without it.

So, I'm voting no.

Sticky: My thanks....

That was posted today.

The Interactive History is just starting up. It has potential. The applicant still does need to do a much better job of crediting the work of others though as Garnier pointed out. I cannot see how this should count for or against the applicant at this time. More time needs to pass on this type of activity.

I did participate with the applicant in Garb's Fight Club in a short debate. He handled himself quite well, but as others have noted -- this is a really thin area of experience and probably not sufficient activity up until now.

The applicant has participated in the Eagle Standard and written for 4 issues. This seems to be his strongest point for citizenship at this time.

Thanatos likes his work in the TWC Wiki. His opinion should carry some weight in this decision.

In general the applicant shows great potential and is participating in activities. The is good growth since the last application at the end of February.

I would vote Yes.

Edit: There needs to first be a clearing of the issue of material from totalwar.org however. We have already had a bit of an issue with material lifted without permission in the recent past. This does indeed extend beyond the question of citizenship. Permission to use the RPG must be granted and proof provided. If not, this is a matter for administration and not CdeC.

**Soulghast** · May 09, 2009, 03:27 PM

Poll added.

**the Black Prince** · May 10, 2009, 02:50 PM

Matter for the admin maybe, but as a matter of course, that sort of conduct falls WELL below the standard expected of a citizen. no.

**y2day** · May 10, 2009, 04:46 PM

Agree with tBP, and don't feel he is quite their yet. He has alot of links but nothing really significant on the other end of them. No for me.

y

**Augustus Lucifer** · May 12, 2009, 12:29 AM

y summed it up fairly well. He does a good many things, but none of them really stick out. There's a certain point where sheer mass of contribution outweighs quality of the parts of the whole. He's nowhere near that point though, and to me it's a lot of mediocrity. He obviously wants to help out and I can appreciate that, but I need to see more quality from him in his ES articles and elsewhere if he wants to stand out from the crowd.

**Justinian** · May 12, 2009, 12:31 PM

He's not there yet.

**Pontifex Maximus** · May 13, 2009, 06:01 PM

Not that at this point it makes much of a difference (but perhaps for archiving purposes) I should inform everyone of this:

It was discovered that warman was using his local mod abilities to stick threads (guides) of users, and they in turn would cast a vote for him in the Tale of the Week competition. Essentially a stick for votes system. He will be removed from his local moderator position soon and whatever penalties given by the competition leader will be enacted.

Those are the facts. My opinion is that this is a huge blemish on his record, abusing his powers like this, and I doubt I could cast a vote in favor of his citizenship in the future.

**Viking Prince** · May 13, 2009, 09:06 PM

Does this mean the application is being withdrawn?

**Pontifex Maximus** · May 14, 2009, 05:33 AM

No- its just something we should consider. For me it negates any contribution of his in the local moderator realm earlier and exposes him as a cheater.