Dart Vader>Darth Sidious>Yoda?

Me and my friends were arguing about who was better, Yoda or Darth Vader. I came up with the most awesome argument. Darth Sidious beat Yoda in episode 3, Darth Sidious was killed by Dart Vader, meaning Darth Vader is better than Yoda. True?

false. And you will burn by both sides of the force for your idiocy.

Vader and Yoda are in a league of their own and are matches.

Vader backstabbed Sidious and caught him in a position of weakness. Has nothing to do with power.

And they're very different. Vader's all about physical strength, Yoda obviously more into force powers.

Who in the world is Darth Sidious? And Ep 3? When did that come out? As far as I know the only Star Wars movies are A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ep IV, V, VI.

Originally Posted by Unorthodoxt

Who in the world is Darth Sidious? And Ep 3? When did that come out? As far as I know the only Star Wars movies are A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ep IV, V, VI.

Sidious is the emperor

Originally Posted by BERSERKER!

Sidious is the emperor

The who? The Emperor? When did they give him a name other then The Emperor. How undignified.

Originally Posted by Unorthodoxt

The who? The Emperor? When did they give him a name other then The Emperor.

Emperor Palpantine

Originally Posted by Unorthodoxt

The who? The Emperor? When did they give him a name other then The Emperor. How undignified.

Isn't it sad that we went from The Emperor Palpatine to Darth Sidious? The prequel could have been so much better... sigh

Originally Posted by Rapax

Well they must have seen the new trilogy too then.

ZING!

Originally Posted by Unorthodoxt

Who in the world is Darth Sidious? And Ep 3? When did that come out? As far as I know the only Star Wars movies are A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ep IV, V, VI.

if only....

Originally Posted by Unorthodoxt

Who in the world is Darth Sidious? And Ep 3? When did that come out? As far as I know the only Star Wars movies are A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ep IV, V, VI.

Sidious=Palpatine

Remember Darth Vader IS Anakin Skywalker. Sith when talking about other Sith call themselves by their Sith Names.

Also if you want to know Count Dooku is also known as Darth Tyranus.

Why is there no Mace Windu in this debate? Have you all forgotten that he pretty much beat Sidious in a duel? If Anakin hadn't been such a whiny , Windu would have finished the job and proclaimed himself baddest Jedi of them all.

Originally Posted by Rapax

Why is there no Mace Windu in this debate? Have you all forgotten that he pretty much beat Sidious in a duel? If Anakin hadn't been such a whiny , Windu would have finished the job and proclaimed himself baddest Jedi of them all.

srsly. Quoted for truth. Also, purple lightsaber cannot be defeated in a fair(get it "fair" IT'S A PUN!!!!) fight.

Originally Posted by Rapax

Why is there no Mace Windu in this debate? Have you all forgotten that he pretty much beat Sidious in a duel? If Anakin hadn't been such a whiny , Windu would have finished the job and proclaimed himself baddest Jedi of them all.

I interpreted the fight as Sidious losting purposely so that he can "force" anakin down a path in which he would become vader by attacking samuel jackson.

Originally Posted by DisgruntledGoat

You know what I always wonder. In Ep 1 the prophecy is that they will find a powerful force wielder that will bring balance to the force. At that point there aren't any sith left just jedi. So why the hell did the jedi think that the prophecy was going to be something good for them? Honestly it makes no sense at all. If Anakin was to bring balance to the force when it was already heavily weighted to the light side.... dear god I hate George Lucas.

Maybe its because the jedi actually felt that at the time in the universe the tides were tilted against the light side. The prophecy rang true in a way because by the end of the episode 6 there were no sith or jedi left just the one remaining jedi being luke. So that can be considered a balance to the force.

It would seem as if Vader is the most powerful and was only beaten by obi wan because he had not achieved his potential and because he was arrogant at the time. lol "I have the high ground!!"- there is absolutly no way to counter this 3 feet height difference without being killed. Totally disregarding the fact that they were just fighting seemingly everywhere or that anakin could have simply jumped on another part of the "rock" or go around and get onto an even higher position.

Also he cant be the guy in the prophecy if anakin was not indeed the most powerful of them all. Later on he let people beat him because he was simply too emotionally distraught. Another possibility would be that he never reached his potential also because he may have been emotionally wrecked. Although it should be considered a let down that he never used the whole electricity thing. (from what I recall)

Originally Posted by spartan117

I interpreted the fight as Sidious losting purposely so that he can "force" anakin down a path in which he would become vader by attacking samuel jackson.

I'm sure that Sidious overplayed his supposed weakening to get Anakin to act, but before Anakin even arrived, Windu had clearly bested Sidious in a light saber duel.
I think they made a point that Windu was the strongest Jedi in the council after Yoda

Darth Sidious barely beat Yoda, you can hardly call it a victory. Yoda had to escape because of Sidious' reinforcements. One on one uninterrupted it would have been a different story.

Not to mention Yoda is an old man in ROTS, try it when he's much much younger, Yoda is by the far the most powerful Sith/Jedi ever. Anakin would have been far stronger had he not been crippled and such, although I always question whether he really would've been the most powerful, if he was supposed to be the most powerful why did he get pwned by Obi Wan?

Originally Posted by Duke

Yoda is by the far the most powerful Sith/Jedi ever.

Not true. Yoda is one of the most powerful Jedi of his time; but ever? No. That title, much as I hate to admit it, goes to Luke. Though quite a whiny 'tard in movies except for the second half of RotJ, Luke mans up and kicks some major ass in the expanded universe, and is stated numerous times to be the most powerful force-user period.

Yoda is more on par with Revan or Exar Kun; but he was far better than just about any of his contemporaries. Vader and Sidious included.

Originally Posted by total war king

Me and my friends were arguing about who was better, Yoda or Darth Vader. I came up with the most awesome argument. Darth Sidious beat Yoda in episode 3, Darth Sidious was killed by Dart Vader, meaning Darth Vader is better than Yoda. True?

What fallacy

It goes like this Yoda>Darth Vader>Darth Sidious

Yoda would clearly have owned Sidious if Lucas hadn't needed to make him lose to further the plot. He was faster and more skilled. Darth Sidious, having watched the third movie, is a rather rubbish and slow lightsaber duelist. Further, he gets whooped, and whooped good by Windu, and would have been finished off where it not for that pansy Vader.

Vader is also definitely a far better duelist than Sidious, as shown by his battle with Obi-wan. So the only thing that Sidious has over him is lightning, and if it didn't save Dooku, it wasn't going to save him. So you're right on that end, though your reasoning is off. Vader merely surprised Sidious by showing him that he still had a spine, and then throwing him down a pit, and then he ended up dying afterwards as a result. Vader definitely had the potential to be better than Yoda, but his accident meant that his duelling style became sluggish, whereas Yoda at th grand old age of 900 could still fight like a ninja on fire.

Sidious is rubbish, and his only real power lies in his ability to manipulate. Even that I dispute. Remember such arguments as to why Anakin should kill Dooku instead of letting him stand trial, "Do it!". Anakin was clearly a little dense and a monkey could manipulate him.

Originally Posted by Duke

I always question whether he really would've been the most powerful, if he was supposed to be the most powerful why did he get pwned by Obi Wan?

He had yet to reach his full potential, but Obi-wan had reached his. And that duel was very close anyway.

Originally Posted by Duke

Darth Sidious barely beat Yoda, you can hardly call it a victory. Yoda had to escape because of Sidious' reinforcements. One on one uninterrupted it would have been a different story....

What reinforcements? Darth Sidious was crackling like a mad man throwing those cubicles at him. Yoda threw the fight before anyone else was there > Darth Sidious was stronger as Yoda in that battle as he was ready to continue, Yoda obviously was not.

Not that it's important. Overall with the new triology the Star Wars mythology is kind of confused and boiled down for 4 year olds.

Vader would easily beat Yoda. Vader is kick ass

You know what I always wonder. In Ep 1 the prophecy is that they will find a powerful force wielder that will bring balance to the force. At that point there aren't any sith left just jedi. So why the hell did the jedi think that the prophecy was going to be something good for them? Honestly it makes no sense at all. If Anakin was to bring balance to the force when it was already heavily weighted to the light side.... dear god I hate George Lucas.