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    Lawmakers in the Czech Republic, the last member state to begin the process of ratifying the EU's Lisbon Treaty, were expected to endorse the troubled project to reform the European Commission on Wednesday.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country holds the six-month EU presidency, urged the Senate to approve the treaty designed to streamline EU decision-making in the wake of the bloc's enlargement as opponents said the text should already be regarded dead in the water.

    "We can't afford another shameful moment after the shameful toppling of the cabinet midway through the EU presidency," Topolanek told the upper house of parliament in one of his last major speeches before standing down on Friday.

    The Czech Republic's presidency of the EU has been hamstrung by internal political squabbles but approval of the Lisbon blueprint would at least give a chance to put a bit of shine onto an otherwise tarnished performance.

    Topolanek's ODS, the strongest party in the Senate, is split over the text -- it delayed its approval by the lower house for months with a constitutional lawsuit, lengthy speeches and postponements in parliament.

    But the text is expected to make it through the Senate on Wednesday with analysts and politicians predicting that Topolanek has secured the necessary votes.

    The treaty needs a three-fifth majority of all senators present -- meaning 49 votes if all 81 senators are in the room for the vote.

    Topolanek said failure to approve the treaty would "strengthen the tendency to split the EU" between its older members and eastern European newcomers, who would moreover find it harder to resist Russia's influence.

    "All countries east of Germany and Austria would then face the risk of weaker ties with the west and Russia's embrace," he added.

    "A 'no' vote would (also) mean the end of one of our priorities -- promoting EU enlargement," Topolanek said, referring to threats from countries such as France and Germany to block enlargement if the treaty goes under.

    The importance of the vote was underlined by the fact that all senators showed up for the meeting.

    "The last time this happened was the Senate's constituent meeting" last November, the idnes.cz server quoted Senate spokesman Petr Kostka as saying.

    The constitutional court ruled last November the treaty was in line with the constitution, but it only dealt with disputed articles of the treaty, leaving the door open for opponents to launch more challenges.

    ODS senator Jiri Oberfalzer, who has vowed to file a complaint before the courts, described the treaty as "a dead document" and a "conspiracy of political elites" on Wednesday.

    "We are trying to approve a document that people don't want," he said shortly before another ODS senator Richard Svoboda likened the treaty to "sterile euro-Heineken" unlikely to surpass in quality the famous Czech lager.

    If senators pass the text, it will be up to staunchly eurosceptic Czech President Vaclav Klaus to put his signature to it and complete the ratification process.

    Klaus has suggested he will delay ratification for as long as possible, following the example of Polish President Lech Kaczynski, who is also reluctant to sign the treaty despite its endorsement by the Polish parliament.

    All eyes will then swing back to Ireland, where the treaty is due to be put to a second referendum by November, following its shock rejection by voters there last year.

    Germany's parliament has approved the treaty but its ratification has been stalled by a law suit brought before Germany's top court.

    The text must be ratified by all EU member countries to take effect.
    http://www.france24.com/en/20090506-...-lisbon-treaty

    Well done, at least we have a good news with the Czech Republic's presidency.
    Now go, go, go Ireland.

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    About time I say, another step forward.
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    Oh look! An EU country where the ruling politicians are afraid to let it come to a public vote about an EU treaty!
    Imagine my surprise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Oh look! An EU country where the ruling politicians are afraid to let it come to a public vote about an EU treaty!
    Imagine my surprise...
    Now if you put it that way... How many laws and treaties in your countries have been ever put to public vote? There's no surprise when it's the way your country is supposed to work. Wether you want that treaty or not is another matter but it is kind of strange to complain the legislation works like it always did (by not asking the citizens).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangalore View Post
    Now if you put it that way... How many laws and treaties in your countries have been ever put to public vote? There's no surprise when it's the way your country is supposed to work. Wether you want that treaty or not is another matter but it is kind of strange to complain the legislation works like it always did (by not asking the citizens).
    I hope you know there is a difference between every day legislation, as in lawmaking, and a new treaty? In "my" country, every new EU treaty has been subject to a popular vote, except this one. But in the countries that have been allowed to vote, the same picture emerge. The population remains if not deeply sceptical then certainly divided.
    The EU has a huge PR task, and not allowing populations to vote on something like a treaty is not going to it any favours.

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    I say take the Lisbon treaty, and stuff it up your

    Though everyone is entitled to their opinions, I for one want no part in it. The British people want a referendum on it, Gordon Brown PROMISED one before he took power, then back steps on his promise....wonder why he won't let the people vote on it?? Could it be the majority will vote against it??

    Ireland have already voted no to it...but again the EU are turning the screws on the Irish as a NO vote just doesn't sit well in Brussells. Pffft so much for EU democracy, what a farce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sisko View Post
    I say take the Lisbon treaty, and stuff it up your

    Though everyone is entitled to their opinions, I for one want no part in it.
    sure but did you acually read & understand the whole treaty? i didnt and if you didnt either you are not entitled to have a opinion worth taking serious. no offence.

    ..and letting people vote on something they have no clue about is much more dangerous then letting their representers vote who are paid to know what its about.

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    another step for pencil dicked eurocrats to feel a little more relevant,
    another step back for democracy
    remember what nigel farage said; 'if you try to do this without the ppl, you're going to create all sorts of problems in the future'

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    Can someone briefly explain the Lisbon Treaty's ramifications on EU states. Does it empower the old and major members like France and Germany or does it empower smaller member states? I honestly am not sure if I should be saying "yeah, go Czech Republic" or "you idiots just sold out your country."

    Thank god in Canada politics is based on a simple rule regarding who has more maple syrup and beaver pelts... oh, and who won the Stanley Cup.

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    Sweet.

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    For christ sakes, the Lisbon Treaty formalizes the process of leaving the EU, its what you anti-EU people want... Look beyond your predjudice for once guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    For christ sakes, the Lisbon Treaty formalizes the process of leaving the EU, its what you anti-EU people want... Look beyond your predjudice for once guys.
    Who wants to leave the EU if they don't even want to join?
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    Prominent changes include more qualified majority voting in the EU Council (More democracy) increased involvement of the European Parliament (a democratic organ) in the legislative process through extended codecision with the EU Council, eliminating the pillar system, (admitted, more power for EU to interfere with national law) preventing the provision in the Treaty of Nice reducing the number of commissioners, (less bureaucracy) and the creation of a President of the European Union and a High Representative for Foreign Affairs to present a united position on EU policies. If ratified, the Treaty of Lisbon would also make the Union's human rights charter, the Charter of Fundamental Rights, (more rights for the rights lovers) legally binding.
    Also, it enables the EU to kick states out of the EU if they misbehave, and, like Modern Life said, formalises the posibilty of leaving the EU. Seriously, what's to complain?

    Source is the omniscient wikipedia btw.
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    Prominent changes include more qualified majority voting in the EU Council, increased involvement of the European Parliament in the legislative process through extended codecision with the EU Council, eliminating the pillar system, preventing the provision in the Treaty of Nice reducing the number of commissioners, and the creation of a President of the European Union and a High Representative for Foreign Affairs to present a united position on EU policies. If ratified, the Treaty of Lisbon would also make the Union's human rights charter, the Charter of Fundamental Rights, legally binding.
    The Lisbon Treaty will improve greatly the works of EU.

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    Oh well that's Czech Republic on the spineless list. i guess some things just don't change, even in 80 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Oh well that's Czech Republic on the spineless list. i guess some things just don't change, even in 80 years.
    Some loverly racism there Rome, get over your blind love of cameron; the EU is not evil, misused; perhaps, abused; deffinatly, Europes' future; No doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    Some loverly racism there Rome, get over your blind love of cameron; the EU is not evil, misused; perhaps, abused; deffinatly, Europes' future; No doubt.
    I don't remember writing the ''EU is evil'' in post, yet you're accusing me of blindness. What I do remember however is pointing out the Czech government is spineless in not letting the people decide whether or not new powers should be afforded to the EU.

    We haven't had a referendum for 35 years, so much for Democracy. The central pillar of the British Constitution is that Parliament, through the people, is sovereign. therefore any transferral of sovereignty from Westminster to any other region requires a referendum and popular approval. There was a referendum on Scottish Devolution, Irish and Welsh devolution, since power was going from Westminster to the respective states. There was a referendum in the North East on their Regional North East assembly in 2004, it failed. On the EU, The Labour Party gave us a referendum back in 1975, god bless their souls. Heath and Major did not on the ECC and EU in 1974, and 1992, respectively. It brought down their governments, careers and parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    We haven't had a referendum for 35 years, so much for Democracy. The central pillar of the British Constitution is that Parliament
    You do know Britain is horrifically undemocratic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    You do know Britain is horrifically undemocratic?
    A bit, but hardly horrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Oh well that's Czech Republic on the spineless list. i guess some things just don't change, even in 80 years.
    Are you implying that only Ireland has a spine?
    That's rather hilarious with Fianna Fail at the helm.

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    Yes Americans, that is the name of the ruling party in Ireland.
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