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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Chrysler LLC will not repay U.S. taxpayers more than $7 billion in bailout money it received earlier this year and as part of its bankruptcy filing.

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    This revelation was buried within Chrysler's bankruptcy filings last week and confirmed by the Obama administration Tuesday. The filings included a list of business assumptions from one of the company's key financial advisors in the bankruptcy case.

    Some of the main assumptions listed by Robert Manzo of Capstone Advisory Group were that the Treasury would forgive a $4 billion bridge loan given to Chrysler in the closing days of the Bush administration, a $300 million fee on that loan, and the $3.2 billion in financing approved last week by the Obama administration to fund Chrysler's operations during bankruptcy.

    An Obama administration official confirmed Tuesday that Chrysler won't be repaying the loans, though a portion of the bridge loan may be recovered by Treasury from the assets of Chrysler Financial, the former credit arm of the automaker which is essentially going out of business as part of the reorganization.

    "The reality now is that the face value [of the $4 billion bridge loan] will be written off in the bankruptcy process," said the official, who added that the 8% equity stake that Treasury will be receiving as part of the company's reorganization is meant to compensate taxpayers for the lost money.

    "While we do not expect a recovery of these funds, we are comfortable that in the totality of the arrangement, the Treasury and the American taxpayer are being fairly compensated," said the official.

    The company filed for bankruptcy Thursday as part of a deal with the federal government, unions, some lenders and Italian automaker Fiat to keep the company from being shut down.

    The Canadian government also agreed to kick in about$900 million in bankruptcy financing. According to the filings, Chrysler's advisor assumes that this loan will be forgiven as well.

    The Obama administration official said that other money being made available to Chrysler, such as the $4.7 billion that will go to the company as it exits bankruptcy, will be a loan that the government expects to be paid back. In addition, that loan will be secured by company assets, unlike the previous loans to Chrysler.

    According to the filing, the company's financial advisor also foresees the need for an additional $1.5 billion loan from the Treasury Department by June 30, 2010.

    Lori McTavish, a spokeswoman for Chrysler, said some of the assumptions made by the company have changed since its bankruptcy filing on April 30. But she could not say specifically if the company still hoped for the additional federal loan in 2010.

    "The content of the document needs to speak for itself. We are simply not in a position to comment," she said.

    Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who took the lead among Senate Republicans in challenging the auto bailout last December, said he was disappointed but not surprised that Chrysler would not be paying back the money.

    "I've known for sometime that with the capital structure of the company and the situation it was in, we would not be paid back," he said. "There were several secured lenders ahead of us, and they're not getting most of their money."

    Major banks and hedge funds that loaned Chrysler $6.9 billion were offered only $2.25 billion to settle those loans by Treasury. While major banks accepted the offer, hedge funds rejected it, forcing the company into bankruptcy.

    Typically lenders who loan bankrupt companies funds to operate during reorganization go to the front of the line on getting the money they are owed repaid. But Corker said Chrysler's dire financial situation left it no chance to even pay back the bankruptcy financing.
    He said the fact that Chrysler isn't paying what is owed should be a warning that the $15.4 billion loaned to General Motors by Treasury since December, as well as any bankruptcy financing it might need, is also at risk.

    "Certainly there are red flags," he said.
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    They're not exactly 'walking', 8% of their company is going to be owned by the government to compensate for the loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    They're not exactly 'walking', 8% of their company is going to be owned by the government to compensate for the loan.
    Then why does the union with a net $10b after payouts get 5 times the equity position? This is compensation to the unions and not compensation to the government.
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    Then why does the union with a net $10b after payouts get 5 times the equity position? This is compensation to the unions and not compensation to the government.
    Because the government would get nothing back if they didn't get the workers on board and have the ability to do some sort of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Then why does the union with a net $10b after payouts get 5 times the equity position? This is compensation to the unions and not compensation to the government.
    Because they vote for democrats.
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    Hehe sounds like the newsbusters video (fake comedic right wing news) was actually right about this one. Saying thank god the government wasted 7 billion on Chrysler to prevent what is happening now from happening 6 weeks ago...money well "spent"!

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    the American taxpayer are being fairly compensated,"
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    socialism deluxe! give struggling companies to the unions and remaining ownership to the government!

    (because labor unions and career bureaucrats surely know whats best for car business)

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    You say that like the CEOs were running the company well before bankruptcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    You say that like the CEOs were running the company well before bankruptcy.
    and its not like labor unions or govt regulations did not drag the company down or anything . the devil is in the details, as usual.

    please do not tell me that you are serious if you believe that qualified executives, financial professionals with many years of experience would do a worse job running a big company than a bunch of bureaucrats and labor union activists? if you think CEOs failed at their job, just wait a few years and see how well will government and unions do. you havent seen nothing yet .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    please do not tell me that you are serious if you believe that qualified executives, financial professionals with many years of experience would do a worse job running a big company than a bunch of bureaucrats and labor union activists? if you think CEOs failed at their job, just wait a few years and see how well will government and unions do. you havent seen nothing yet .
    I never said they would do the job well. Point being, is even if the Unions really really suck, the CEOs didn't do a much better job, and there's no way to say they did with a straight face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    and its not like labor unions or govt regulations did not drag the company down or anything . the devil is in the details, as usual.

    please do not tell me that you are serious if you believe that qualified executives, financial professionals with many years of experience would do a worse job running a big company than a bunch of bureaucrats and labor union activists? if you think CEOs failed at their job, just wait a few years and see how well will government and unions do. you havent seen nothing yet .
    Of course a good CEO would do his job better then some random person from the government. Fact remains however that Chrysler wasn't capable of finding good people to run their compnay. And if they need to be bailed out by the government then the safest decision would be to appoint somebody to run the company instead of what Chrysler would appoint.

    Sure the profits likely won't be as high as a good CEO could have made them. On the other hand, the debts won't be as high as a normal CEO could get them to be either. It's the safest middle ground, and at a time like this it's the only political smart thing to do.

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    Isn't this the whole point of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy?

    Wouldn't be much of a bankruptcy is they were still left with debts afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Then why does the union with a net $10b after payouts get 5 times the equity position? This is compensation to the unions and not compensation to the government.
    From what I understand, the union does get more for their loan than all the other debtors, yes.
    I don't know why this is.

    But I don't think the government gets less than all non-union debtors.
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    Then why does the union with a net $10b after payouts get 5 times the equity position? This is compensation to the unions and not compensation to the government.
    Because they're also releasing a large part of Chrysler's contractual obligations. Cut pay, less benefits, and such. Stuff they're entitled to in their contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Because they're also releasing a large part of Chrysler's contractual obligations. Cut pay, less benefits, and such. Stuff they're entitled to in their contract.
    That contract vaporized with the bankuptcy filing. They have no standing to demand future compensation after the filing. This is clearly not a part of bonded debt positions so why did you bring it up?
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