So, are you fans of Cromwell and Company or a die-hard for Charles and chums?
Cheshire Cat
Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
So, are you fans of Cromwell and Company or a die-hard for Charles and chums?
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Le Paysan Soleil
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Hard choise, but I ended up choosing the Royalists because Cromwell turned out to be a Tyrant, and as far as I know Charles I was more tolerant of religious minorities in comparison to Cromwell's die hard protestants. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Cheshire Cat
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Well I'm not really all too sure on the details, but I do know that Cromwell allowed Jews back into England to worship freely for the first time in many centuries, which is why Simon Schama for one seems to quite like him!Originally Posted by Kralle18
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Domesticus
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Odd, just had a deja vu...
Anyway, the Parlimentarians. I dont believe in the Divine Right of Kings one bit, and am not a monarchist in anyway.
Having said that Cromwell didnt turn out that great either, but he wasnt the leader of the Parlimentary Cause for the first half of the war (ie when they were loosing...)
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Child of Nihil.
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Having read a comprehensive (i.e Huge) book on the ECW I came away rather ambivalent... both sides commited questionable war acts (The Royalists can be credited with the first 'war crime') and had good Commanders on both sides e.g Rupert, Hopton, Waller, Fairfax, Cromwell... it's a pity the ECW isn't more popular in popular History as it was an interesting conflict (and suprisingly bloody). My Hometown was Royalist until late in the first war, so I suppose I'll say Royalist.
Praeses
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
The Levellers were the side to back
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Laetus
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
I would go for the Parlimentarians. But mostly because I really love the Levellers. Great bunch.
hoi polloi
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Down with kings...
Easy choice. Does that make Cromwell and company saints - nope. But they get my vote.
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charles an ineffective ruler who bit off more then he could chew much better then that despot Cromwell who push puritan values on Britain, slaughtered the Irish, banned sports, and worst of all banned plays.
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Laetus
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
A bit of puritan values is never harmful. Acting normal is crazy enough.
Senator
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Royalist. Because Cromwell banned christmas, the!!!
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Vicarius
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
I just hate Cromwell.
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yeah getting beaten for playing football is no problem at all just like taking a stroll after church and being fined is a great value.
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Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Neither side, but if I had to choose one I'd choose a king who abused his political power rather than a Parliament which wanted to turn England into a puritanical state.
Praeses
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Cromwell wanted to turn England into a Puritanical state, not Parliment, which was fairly divided on what to do with England once it had won.
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actually several of the measures cromwell went through with parliament had no problem with.
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Primicerius
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
No Cromwell was enemy of the Presbyterians and the Scots.
Between 1640-45 the parliament was strongly ruled by the Presbyterian and conservative majority.
Also the Assembly of the theologists was in the same status and London was a Puritan stronghold.
The only branch of the English state where the sectarians, the baptists, independents and separatists had the majority was the New Model Army.
In 1646-47 with a coup d'etat the Independents conquered the majority in the Parliament and in the Committee Militia.
In the month of the February 1648 began the second phase of the english civil war. This time the Presbyterians fought alongside with the Royalists against the New Model.
Mr. Conservative
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
As I fancy myself to be a son of honor (), I will follow in the footsteps of my first significant ancestor and stand by the King!
Cromwell being a Puritanical rat-bastard (who is also guilty of attempted genocide and banning some pretty good
Praepositus
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
Cromwell.
Ireland was exaggerated, it was common practice all over Europe to sack a town if it held out and did not surrender. Most of the harsh laws during Cromwell's era where not of Cromwell's doing but Parliaments, he and his family were avid dancers during the bans. Cromwell is definitely one of the greatest Britons of all time.
Reine
Re: Which side do you sympathise with in the English Civil War?
IF the Royalist side had won the war, then Britain would most probably turn into an Absolute Monarchy of the French model.
I would say, Royalists to sound nice, but in practice I would have to stand against the King's power.
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