EU net neutrality

[Captain.E.Blackadder]

Hello,

it was recently posted by Ipower and worth checking out.

EU Net Neutrality: TAKE ACTION NOW - I Power

Obama has or is legalizing Net Neutrality for the US, but now europe is having its turn.

Mail Template:
The Letter - I Power

MEPs:
MEPs by country - La Quadrature du Net


This means means that depending on the outcome of this vote, EU may not have Net Neutrality.

ISPs will be allowed to block any and all sites they dont want there users to go to, Because it uses to much bandwidth etc. It also means ISPs can come up with new Service Plans. For example:

To Use:

Myspace, Youtube,Facebook,Bebo,EA - you have to pay an added 45UKP a month

Google, Free Webs, BBC website - you have to pay an added 65UKP

Just to visit those sites, not including the million other websites. The internet for you will be the same as TV. You can only go to channels you pay for. Plus the normal Internet and TV line bill and the Line rental bill.

If the vote supports Net Neutrality, The internet stays as it is. But they may change a few things around. Like if the EU thought it was needed, they could shut down the internet in the EU. The US has just enabled this policy this month too. So i wouldnt be suprised if the EU followed.

The information to get incontact with your local MEPs is all posted above. I would recomend phoning but Email is just as good. BTW, ANYONE OF ANY AGE CAN DO THIS! THIS IS YOUR RIGHTS!

[Lovejoy]

Great initiative Captain.E.Blackadder!

[Captain.E.Blackadder]

If the EU let the inernent providers bloack site's amd charge you to be able to go on site's like on TV you can only watch cannels you pay for I will go on a riot

[Erik]

I'm not too worried.

ISP's know they will loose customers if they don't provide a complete service or of they charge too much.
Plus: in my country the actual data lines are owned by the government, so ISP's have no control over them.

The information to get incontact with your local MEPs is all posted above. I would recomend phoning but Email is just as good. BTW, ANYONE OF ANY AGE CAN DO THIS! THIS IS YOUR RIGHTS!

As if my "local" MEP's will answer phone calls or even read e-mails from the plebs.

[IrishHitman]

As if my "local" MEP's will answer phone calls or even read e-mails from the plebs.

The complaints of someone who has never tried.

[Erik]

The complaints of someone who has never tried.

Have you?

[Denny Crane!]

Have you?

Yeah actually I have regularlly written to MEP's and MP's and have had several personal responses. I wrote about project better place to my MP and I recieved a reply from the MP saying it was handed over the DoT and recieved a reply from the MP's assistants giving a summary of policy in regards to that.

I hate government but in the UK at least they are very responsive. Not to many contact them I guess.

[GrnEyedDvl]

I'm not too worried.

ISP's know they will loose customers if they don't provide a complete service or of they charge too much.

Several companies already place limits on what you can and cannot do with your connection. For example Comcast has a digital voice phone package. But if you get your internet from Comcast and try to use a service such as Vonage you will quickly find out that any VoIP traffic run through the Comcast network gives priority to Comcast customers. During peak times your Vonage phone service could be pretty crappy because Comcast is reserving a set amount of bandwidth.

Many ISPs also set blocks on certain services, such as ports 25 and 80, so you cant set up an email or web server from your house. AT&T is blocking peer to peer ports, and gives priority to its own video service while blocking the video service from competitors.

Plus: in my country the actual data lines are owned by the government, so ISP's have no control over them.

They can still control what traffic goes through their switches and routers, and they do.

[IrishHitman]

Several companies already place limits on what you can and cannot do with your connection. For example Comcast has a digital voice phone package. But if you get your internet from Comcast and try to use a service such as Vonage you will quickly find out that any VoIP traffic run through the Comcast network gives priority to Comcast customers. During peak times your Vonage phone service could be pretty crappy because Comcast is reserving a set amount of bandwidth.

Many ISPs also set blocks on certain services, such as ports 25 and 80, so you cant set up an email or web server from your house. AT&T is blocking peer to peer ports, and gives priority to its own video service while blocking the video service from competitors.

They can still control what traffic goes through their switches and routers, and they do.

We are discussing the European Union.
You have just used Comcast, AT&T and Vonage, American companies, in a European context....

Again, for the umpteenth time, American laws do not apply to the rest of the world.
Everyone from American lawyers to American "liberals" such as yourself seem to assume that what America does is automatically relevent.

I can tell you right now, in proper backdrop of failed attempts by companies to recreate American internet restrictions via copyright laws, it isn't always.

[GrnEyedDvl]

We are discussing the European Union.
You have just used Comcast, AT&T and Vonage, American companies, in a European context....

I used them as an example because I have first hand experience with those companies and also to demonstrate that what any individual company chooses to do with its network structureis beyond the scope of who actually owns the lines that make up the backbone. The post I was responding to asserted that the government owns the lines so the ISPs cannot regulate traffic, which is blatantly false and I gave examples to demonstrate why. The companies in Europe certainly can regulate traffic within their own network, though I think its a bad idea.

Again, for the umpteenth time, American laws do not apply to the rest of the world.

Where did I mention US law? Oh thats right I didnt.

I gave a few examples of some things that US companies are doing that I disagree with, and specific port numbers that I also KNOW some companies in Europe block. I can look that up for you if you dont believe me.

Everyone from American lawyers to American "liberals" such as yourself seem to assume that what America does is automatically relevent.

Liberal?

Of course what America does is automatically relevant. This is why Europeans run so many polls on what is going on in America such as the latest election. You certainly dont see nationwide polls in the US about who is running for office in Europe.

I can tell you right now, in proper backdrop of failed attempts by companies to recreate American internet restrictions via copyright laws, it isn't always.

Europe has signed international copyright laws, those are not laws based in America.

[Erik]

They can still control what traffic goes through their switches and routers, and they do.

Point is: that only affects their own customers, I won't be effected because I would never sign up for an ISP with a limited service.

If people CHOOSE an ISP with a limited service, for example because it's cheaper, then I don't see what the big deal is.

[Kamos]

I imagine it varies from MEP to MEP as for whether or not they respond, or in the very least the quality of their response.

[C-Rob]

that would completely ruin the internet.

[Carach]

that would completely ruin the internet.

indeed it would, but then the internet has been under attack by corporations and politicians for some time now.

i would say im not worried, but unfortunately ive seen several rather concerning moves to curb people's rights on the internet over the last few years by governments across the world.

[Djûn]

It's a shame that the people of IPower and NEE did not get a place in the Belgian Senate. I happen to speak to one of its members regularly and it seems that the initiative has fallen rather short...

Nevertheless, they have very good arguments.

[Pious Agnost]

"We're not like China, we offer people the opportunity to buy the right to visit websites"

I can imagine it now...

[Exarch]

"We're not like China, we offer people the opportunity to buy the right to visit websites"

I can imagine it now...

LOL, i agree
nothing cracks me up more than the hypocritical european notions of moral superiority

[C-Rob]

It's a shame that the people of IPower and NEE did not get a place in the Belgian Senate. I happen to speak to one of its members regularly and it seems that the initiative has fallen rather short...

Nevertheless, they have very good arguments.

and those would be

[Arjun]

this net limitation plan should be stopped pronto. its an outrage! what next? limits on what news websites we would be allowed to visit?

what a lot of these companies do not realize is; tha by doing this they will lose their customers to companies that do not do this, and deservedly so.

[Nimthill]

Should this come to pass, I will have found a good reason to start rioting!