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    Default What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Because after this, I feel like getting one's impossible


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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    1st off nice body count

    What were the odds against you when you started the battle? In my experience they have been at the very least 3-1 against. That's with vanilla anyway.

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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Seems very logical that you won't get an Heroic Victory with troops like that. You need to be outnumbered and outclassed by quite a margin, I'm guessing your troops were far too good to be eligible for a Heroic Victory.
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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Selifator View Post
    Seems very logical that you won't get an Heroic Victory with troops like that. You need to be outnumbered and outclassed by quite a margin, I'm guessing your troops were far too good to be eligible for a Heroic Victory.
    ya and the other faction had crap units


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    Some things that I've noticed seem to have an effect on the type of victory are being outnumbered, being outclassed, and (most often) the amount of casualties you take. Taking too many losses seems to prevent the victory from being Heroic.
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    I think you need to have atleast 90 % of you oponents army dead. It also depends on factions, rome obviously being quite a strong faction against a weaker one wont get a heroic so easily. But the heroic system seems a bit messed up. I've beaten people with 800 odd kills to their 190 and only resived a clear.

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    ive had a heroicvicotry with 70% enemy dead. i think you kill death ratio has to be on the margin of 1:3 or so with you starting as the underdog.

    if you want to see heroic vicotrys then pick horsearcher factions and spam them. horse archers can just splatter the enemy with arrows and then just charge the exhausted depleted enemy units for an ez rout.

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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    I've had heroic victory when I've had a massive force against a (literally) tiny one, so long as I don't lose any of my men...so it's not always when you're outnumbered and outclassed!


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    Yeah, if two massive armys who had the same quality and amount of troops fought and one destroed the entire enemy army withonly losing a few of his men wouldnt this be called heroic???? So its not if onltyou are outnumbered or outclassed.

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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tomyris View Post
    I've had heroic victory when I've had a massive force against a (literally) tiny one, so long as I don't lose any of my men...so it's not always when you're outnumbered and outclassed!

    I used to get heroic victories the same way in vanilla 1.0...so long as I didn't lose any men (thanks to infinite ammo plus good archers and mopping up cavalry) I would get a heroic victory, but once I upgraded to 1.5 and started using mods, I stopped getting them in this case. I still get them when the odds are against me (even if very slightly) and I take very few casualties, but none when I take low casualties if the opposing force is small.
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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    It depends on the odds of victory, if you have 50 000 peasants but are fighting armoured cohorts then the odds will be against you by 3 - 1 and you will gain a heroic victory. It goeas on your chance to win which usually conforms to numbers and troop quality but not always.

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    I doubt so you get heroic victory if your outnumbered by peasants.It be clear victory. Maybe its the troop quality AND numbers that apply.

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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Here's how a heroic victory can look like , Basically two bigger armies than mine coming from the front and rear including some reinforcements . One king and a prince in the two big armies and some other general . (No captain armies) . Basically a battle you cannot win without using some kind of genius tactic . I took advantage of my enemies formations and my siege equipment , and the distance between their army to avoid a three front battle .
    Basically , the odds were against me [1:8].

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    Off-Topic : This battle also resulted in the destruction of the Visigoths
    So all the bigger victory for me .



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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    You need to be in a situation where you SHOULD lose, by a margin. Generally the definition is that if you couldnt AI it, but you kill almost all of them and sustain very few casualties then that should do it. Youll get into the swing of it and then theyll be there all the time...
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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    I ve just crushedd a Senate army, I surroundered with two armies, but individually each army was outclassed by the Senate, not outnumbered tough, eah of them would have given a good battle.
    Any how, when the battle was over, I got the heroic victory message, I think the clue is not to lose troops, and slaugther the enemy completely.
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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    That generally works. There are no definitive things you must reach for a heroic victory, but a win with minimal casualties, preferably against a superior army, generally gives a heroic victory.
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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    I think that you need to kill most(if not all) of the enemy's troops with less than 200 losses, or something like that.

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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    you need to seriously PWN THE **** OUTTA TEH ENEMEEE.


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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth_Max View Post
    you need to seriously PWN THE **** OUTTA TEH ENEMEEE.
    I think that sums it up quite nicely.



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    Default Re: What does it take for a heroic victory?

    Odds have to be at least 1:1, better chance of getting one if its more, like 2:1 against or higher. You must kill a certain percentage of the enemy force, and otherwise it seems to be kind of random. I've had epic battles where I almost lose and then pull off a nice victory, but only get clear, and others where the odds are nearly even (maybe 4:5), and win a decisive, but hardly extraordinary victory, and get a heroic. Odd.

    Edit: looking at your picture, its obvious why you didn't get a heroic. Your troops are all gold chevroned/fully upgraded! The odds take into account troops quality (including experience and upgrades). If the numbers are against you (lets say 2000 against 10 000), but you have praetorians and the enemy has 10 000 peasants, then the odds are still in your favour. So no heroic.



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