Meanwhile in Iraq...Sunnis say "you can shove your money", man holding an RPG launcher asks "where is your God now?"

[Heinz Guderian]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6211364.ece

Iraq bloodshed rises as US allies defect

Obama’s withdrawal pledge is at risk as militias paid by the US begin to rejoin the insurgency

IRAQ is threatened by a new wave of sectarian violence as members of the “Sons of Iraq” – the Sunni Awakening militias that were paid by the US to fight Al-Qaeda – begin to rejoin the insurgency.
If the spike in violence continues, it could affect President Barack Obama’s pledge to withdraw all combat troops from Iraqi cities by the end of June. All US troops are due to leave the country by 2012.



A leading member of the Political Council of Iraqi Resistance, which represents six Sunni militant groups, said: “The resistance has now returned to the field and is intensifying its attacks against the enemy. The number of coalition forces killed is on the rise.”



The increase in attacks by such groups, combined with a spate of bombings blamed on Al-Qaeda, has had a chilling effect on the streets of Iraq. More than 370 Iraqi civilians and military – and 80 Iranian pilgrims – lost their lives in April, making it the bloodiest month since last September. On Wednesday, five car bombs exploded in a crowded market in Sadr City, Baghdad, killing 51 people and injuring 76. Three US soldiers were killed on Thursday and two more yesterday when a gunman in Iraqi army uniform opened fire near Mosul.

Need to give them moar money? Moar money, moar problems?



Notorious BIG did say

Uhh, uhhh
B.i.g., p-o, p-p-a
No info, for the, dea
Federal agents mad cause Im flagrant
Tap my cell, and the phone in the basement
My team supreme, stay clean
Triple beam lyrical dream, I be that
Cat you see at all events bent
Gats in holsters girls on shoulders

So you see, mo money can cause mo problems. Perhaps this is a flash in the pan?

[IrishHitman]

Surely if they worked for the US just last week, they are well known and can be easily eliminated..

[Каие]

Wait, the people who the US paid to not shoot them have decided to go back to their principles once the money ran out? No way! Completely unexpected!

[Panzerbear]

Wait, the people who the US paid to not shoot them have decided to go back to their principles once the money ran out? No way! Completely unexpected!

I second this.

I'm honestly beginning to care less and less about Iraq blowing up in civil war.

then the real question would be - what did these 4,300 American soldiers die in Iraq for? the second question would be - how long will it take till Iran takes over Iraq and Obama gets his impeachment?

[Thanatos]

then the real question would be - what did these 4,300 American soldiers die in Iraq for?

Nothing. Abso-freakin-lutely nothing.

They're all dead because:

1) Bush wanted his nice little happy war to get on the history books.
2) Oil.

Democracy? Please, that's not going to happen. Political institutionalization must occur first before you have social mobilization.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

These people are nothing more than mercenary bands, and if the payment stops, then what stops them?

[Georgy Zhukov]

"where is your God now?"

*points to General Petraeus*

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6211364.ece






Need to give them moar money? Moar money, moar problems?



Notorious BIG did say




So you see, mo money can cause mo problems. Perhaps this is a flash in the pan?

well first of all Tupac > Biggie
But back on subject.. We (USA) were the ones who funded Saddam Hussein in the first place, the whole thing is our fault.

[Rapax]

I don't have all the facts yet, but I'm pretty sure this is Obama's fault.

[Barry Goldwater]

Mercenaries tend to stop fighting for you once you stop handing them cash...

"where is your God now?"

*points to General Petraeus*

[Caelius]

This has more to do with the releasing of the thousands of detainees from Iraqi prisons last week as part of a government reconciliation plan than anything else.

Those on this board jumping up and down at the prospect of more innocent Iraqis dying as a result of their heroes in the insurgency are going to be sorely disappointed when the Iraqi Security Forces, operating with little US support, crack down on the remaining Sunni insurgents holding out around Mosul.

Sorry to spoil the party for those wishing that Iraq descends back into chaos just so they can feel "vindicated" in seeing the US fail.

[Hippolord]

I say we leave and just stop caring about Iraq.....

We can say "ah well we tried and we failed, let things be how these terroists want it to be, and see how that goes for em"....

[Каие]

Those on this board jumping up and down at the prospect of more innocent Iraqis dying as a result of their heroes in the insurgency are going to be sorely disappointed when the Iraqi Security Forces, operating with little US support, crack down on the remaining Sunni insurgents holding out around Mosul.

Indeed, I had a bet on how long it would take for you to get here and declare al who disagree with you are fans of terrorists. I must say you duly beat me, I had you down for at at least post 30. Of course it goes without saying that the rhetoric you've displayed is completely and utterly stupid. The stupidity is further amplified when you appeared to have twisted the rhetoric further to make it seem like those who are against the Iraq war are the ones who want to see innocent Iraqis dying. I say sir, the Labour party would be proud of that spin. Absolutely delighted with it!

[BlackPirate]

This has more to do with the releasing of the thousands of detainees from Iraqi prisons last week as part of a government reconciliation plan than anything else.

Those on this board jumping up and down at the prospect of more innocent Iraqis dying as a result of their heroes in the insurgency are going to be sorely disappointed when the Iraqi Security Forces, operating with little US support, crack down on the remaining Sunni insurgents holding out around Mosul.

Sorry to spoil the party for those wishing that Iraq descends back into chaos just so they can feel "vindicated" in seeing the US fail.

mmm dude you act like WE are responsible about the bloodshet.We are not.The US started all this mess.When they were killing civilians and easily defeated saddam war was good.Now that things are complicated they act like the solo responsibily is from iraqis who for one reason or another disobey to government

[Major.Stupidity]

This has more to do with the releasing of the thousands of detainees from Iraqi prisons last week as part of a government reconciliation plan than anything else.

Those on this board jumping up and down at the prospect of more innocent Iraqis dying as a result of their heroes in the insurgency are going to be sorely disappointed when the Iraqi Security Forces, operating with little US support, crack down on the remaining Sunni insurgents holding out around Mosul.

Sorry to spoil the party for those wishing that Iraq descends back into chaos just so they can feel "vindicated" in seeing the US fail.

How does arresting Sahwa members have anything to do with releasing thousands of Iraqis from jail? Moreover, you tend to ignore the fact that said Sahwa . members have not been integrated into the Iraqi army. As for your comment towards people who question Iraq's long term stability and Sahwa members being somehow worshiping insurgents as "heroes" its an epic strawman which ignores legitimate questions about Iraq's stability.

[Caelius]

Indeed, I had a bet on how long it would take for you to get here and declare al who disagree with you are fans of terrorists.

Source of where I said this?

Its really funny how you yourself try to juxtapose such notions onto my posts in order to affix your own claims of anyone who puts a check to your arguments as warmongering imperialists in denial of how Iraq "truly" is, or its prospects for future stabilization. I guess the glass is always half empty (or blown up by an IED) in your world.

Of course it goes without saying that the rhetoric you've displayed is completely and utterly stupid. The stupidity is further amplified when you appeared to have twisted the rhetoric further to make it seem like those who are against the Iraq war are the ones who want to see innocent Iraqis dying. I say sir, the Labour party would be proud of that spin. Absolutely delighted with it!

Not really.

If you had wanted to prove such claims then you would've made a post rebuking some of Heinz's trolling in your first post in response to the OP on this thread. Instead you joined in on the "Iraq-is-doomed" circlejerk without offering anything substantive what so ever.

Who's rhetoric is more "stupid" in light of that?

To date, have you even said anything remotely positive about the developments in the Iraq Conflict? Or acknowledged anything in favor of the US?

The fact that you can't even resort to a reasoned or rational argument outside of emotional name calling and ad hominems is even further indicative of your intellectual bankruptcy on this subject.

I suggest you make another post when you have your guns loaded.

I must say you duly beat me, I had you down for at at least post 30.

How do I beat you when your own antics start at Post #3 of this thread?

there is religious ethnic cleansing in baghdad and some other areas.shunis have being expelled from many places

Source.

mmm dude you act like WE are responsible about the bloodshet.We are not.The US started all this mess.When they were killing civilians and easily defeated saddam war was good.Now that things are complicated they act like the solo responsibily is from iraqis who for one reason or another disobey to government

Who's "we"?

The rest of your statement is too convoluted to warrant a response.

How does arresting Sahwa members have anything to do with releasing thousands of Iraqis from jail?

Because the release of the detainees from prison (as opposed to the rhetoric in the OP) is the primary source for most of the recent bombings. A consequence that both the Iraqi Govt. and MNF had anticipated and accepted.

Moreover, you tend to ignore the fact that said Sahwa . members have not been integrated into the Iraqi army.

They have. Just not the numbers that the Awakening Councils would've liked. The issue is still an ongoing political discussion within the National Assembly. The rhetoric from some of the Movement leaders is simply their way of gaining leverage within that debate by using outside pressure.

Iraqi Politics at its best.

As for your comment towards people who question Iraq's long term stability and Sahwa members being somehow worshiping insurgents as "heroes" its an epic strawman which ignores legitimate questions about Iraq's stability.

I fail to see why.

Again, like kb8 you need to take it up with Heinz if you're willing to turn a blind eye to some of the sentiments that more than a few posters on this board have, yet then jump to their defense when they get called out on it. You can't have it both ways, its blatantly hypocritical and only puts the legitimate grievances and arguments that could be brought up on the subject of progress in Iraq in a bad light.

If I had wanted to use my claims as a Strawman then I would've said something along the lines of "these events will be shortlived because the effects of the Surge have established permanent trends that the Iraqi Govt. doesn't want reversed. But of course the Blame-America-Firsters on this board are so willing to ignore that they will sensationalize outlier events like this just to depict an obsolete portrayal of the situation on the ground"

[Каие]

Source of where I said this?

Here.

Those on this board jumping up and down at the prospect of more innocent Iraqis dying as a result of their heroes in the insurgency are going to be sorely disappointed

That wasn't hard was it?

I guess the glass is always half empty (or blown up by an IED) in your world.

This was an awful joke. I thought I should tell you in case you used it again in real life.

If you had wanted to prove such claims then you would've made a post rebuking some of Heinz's trolling in your first post in response to the OP on this thread. Instead you joined in on the "Iraq-is-doomed" circlejerk without offering anything substantive what so ever.

Really? I did? So tell me dear sir, where was it exactly that I ''went on the Iraq-is-doomed'' circle jerk''? First you ask me for evidence of something which you clearly said, then you in turn accuse me of saying something I never said without a shame in the world.

For the record, in case you got genuinely confused, showing a lack of surprise that mercenaries who switched sides to join us in the first place, switched sides again does not constitute joining the ''Iraq-is-doomed' circle jerk. It constitutes poking fun at those who thought this was a fool proof plan and without fail. People like you for example.

Who's rhetoric is more "stupid" in light of that?

Evidently, yours.

To date, have you even said anything remotely positive about the developments in the Iraq Conflict? Or acknowledged anything in favor of the US?

I have, yes. Several times.

The fact that you can't even resort to a reasoned or rational argument outside of emotional name calling and ad hominems is even further indicative of your intellectual bankruptcy on this subject.

This statement here is a little bit redundant now, innit? First you got sudden amnesia and forgot what you posted, vehemently denying it, and then you drew a straw man of wicker man proportions to falsely accuse me. Now you look silly talking about intellectual bankruptcy and ad hominem.

I suggest you make another post when you have your guns loaded.

Americans and their guns.

[Valiant Champion]

Its media spin to garner support for expansion of the US military mechanicus engineerus.

[Chaigidel]

its a new insurgency they arent rejoining one, the old one was finished-- and this one will be defeated like all others by greed alone.


there is no man that will not fall to greed.

[BlackPirate]

there is religious ethnic cleansing in baghdad and some other areas.shunis have being expelled from many places