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    From Globe and Mail.

    Just as free trade in the 1980s and 1990s did nothing to lessen Canadian sovereignty or independence, so, too, a bilateral, continental security perimeter would make the continent safer for both Canadians and Americans without betraying our independence.

    The way to get the Americans to trust the border is to give them confidence that both countries have the will and ability to protect it.

    The security leg of this agreement, then, would include common rules for accepting refugees, joint inspection of containers leaving international destinations en route to either country, and an integrated terrorist watch list. Most important, it would expand NORAD, the joint command that protects the continent's airspace, to include land and water.

    This would lead to the presence of American forces on Canadian soil and within Canadian coastal waters. It would also lead to the presence of our forces on their territory.

    There's no reason to assume that either country's sovereignty would be compromised in the process.

    Offering to move from co-operation to integration on security would afford Canada the opportunity to ask for the same on the economy. As the final tranche of this comprehensive continental agreement, Canada should propose a customs union.

    This would be the biggest, boldest move Canada could make: a joint tariff, based on bilateral consent, that would allow both countries to erase the border completely, permitting the free flow of goods, services and people between our two countries, no passport or work visa required — a freedom those in the European Union already enjoy. As part of the union, both countries would drop all remaining protections in agriculture, cultural industries and financial services. After all, our supply management boards are anachronisms, promoting inefficient farming and expensive milk in the nostalgic desire to preserve family farms that mostly no longer exist.

    Our artists are globally competitive — how would Americans laugh without our comedians, and where would bad popular music be without our Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Shania Twain? — and in a world where information flows in every direction via the Internet, protecting such antiquities as television broadcasters and book, magazine or newspaper publishers is as nonsensical as protecting the family farm.

    A customs union won't cost us our identity, whatever that is; it will produce the opposite. Just as NAFTA spurred Canadian business entrepreneurship, so, too, will dropping cultural protections encourage Canada's artistic entrepreneurs. The worst that will happen is that we may have to adopt American spelling.

    And no, this won't give Americans control over our immigration policy. For one thing, if they had any say over who we let in and how many, we would have some say over who and how many they let in. That wouldn't be such a bad thing: America's immigration system is littered with confusing categories and places too little emphasis on bringing in skilled workers. Instead, millions of Mexicans and other Latinos flood the country, providing labour for jobs Americans aren't willing to do themselves. The Yanks could do worse than imitating us on immigration.

    But that's beside the point. What matters is that both countries would want to retain full control over their immigration policies, but that under the agreement each would welcome the other's citizens into its labour market. Canada would have to take steps to ensure that illegal immigrants don't move into Canadian jobs, but legality is already easy to verify.

    But there's a caveat: If I'm wrong, if the Americans would not agree to any further substantial easing of the border without significant restrictions on Canadian immigration, then Canada should walk away from the discussions. The only thing more important than promoting increased access to American markets is preserving Canada's robust multicultural identity. That identity is based on the world's most enlightened immigration policy, which encourages more people to move to our country, per capita, than any other nation, and which ensures that they come from all parts of the world, preventing the emergence of a race-based underclass such as the United States already created through slavery and is recreating through Latino immigration and which Europe is duplicating by allowing the vast majority of its immigrants to come from former colonies, which in many cases means northern Africa and the Middle East. Immigration is who we are. It is our future. It is the one thing we must never bargain away.

    For the foreseeable future, any conversations we have with the United States over the border should not include Mexico. In this respect, NAFTA may actually have harmed the Canada-U.S. relationship. Every time Canada brings a border proposal to the United States, the Americans shake their head. "We'd be interested," they say, "but if we did it for you, we'd have to do it for the Mexicans." The truth is, Canada and the United States are developed nations, winners in the global lottery of wealth. Mexico, sadly, is not.

    As the frightening violence surrounding the drug cartels illustrates, the country is still far distant from becoming a modern, liberal democracy with a developed economy and adherence to the rule of law. Canada and the United States need to talk about the problems at our border.

    The Mexicans and the Americans can talk about their border on their own. That's why our border should be subject to a new treaty, not to NAFTA.

    We live in the real world. Politically, a full environmental, security and economic union is a proposal too far. But Stephen Harper should start with this level of proposed integration and then remove each item that is politically impossible until he reaches a package that he believes he can sell to his caucus, Parliament and the Canadian public. And he should invite Michael Ignatieff to 24 Sussex for dinner, to explain that package. After all, the Opposition Leader spent a considerable portion of his adulthood in the United States. If anyone understands the importance of improving the state of Canada-U.S. relations, it's Ignatieff. Let the opposition to the initiative align behind the Bloc, the NDP and the Greens. Let's have an open debate on the proposal.

    Heck, let's have an election on it. We're having them all the time anyway. Why not fight one on something that actually matters?

    And let us take this proposal to U.S. President Barack Obama and tell him that in a postglobal world, this is what the relationship between Canada and the United States should be: two sovereign nations trading freely together, their citizens travelling back and forth between each other's countries, watching each other's backs, and working together to heal and protect the planet. This is what North America should be. This is what the world should be.

    My concern would be gun control, drug legislation, healthcare and two vastly different foreign policies.
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    USANADA is already the "official" name. But its to late, the EU will take you'll over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    USANADA is already the "official" name. But its to late, the EU will take you'll over.
    I'd prefer the EU over the Americans.

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    I cannot quite see how American and Canadian foreign policy is vastly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    I cannot quite see how American and Canadian foreign policy is vastly different.
    Why it certainly is. We aren't imperial agressors like the USA. Iraq shows the difference between USA and Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Fanatic :) View Post
    Why it certainly is. We aren't imperial agressors like the USA. Iraq shows the difference between USA and Canada.
    No small amount due to the fact Canada is enthusiastically supporting the "imperial aggressor's" adventure in Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Fanatic :) View Post
    Why it certainly is. We aren't imperial agressors like the USA. Iraq shows the difference between USA and Canada.
    Oh boy if only you knew. I recommend a book for you: The Truth About Canada. Canada has always been complicit in America's imperialism because we need open markets, and the only nation willing to kick down locked doors is the US. We owe a lot to the US, but not enough to let them annex us, and I am against this joint agreement. Trade is one matter because trade is by nature international, but defense? No thank you.

    I mean, we're the thing Americans look up to. The ideal of American civilization is Canada: clean roads, friendly people, self-sufficiency in oil, and free drugs! If we merge with them, who will they look up to, Greenland!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Fanatic :) View Post
    Why it certainly is. We aren't imperial agressors like the USA. Iraq shows the difference between USA and Canada.
    So you deny that you have or have had troops in Iraq? Canada will pretty much follow the US anywhere.

    How about we cut funding to both health and the military? Well, not so much health, I'd say Social Security is our number 1 budget problem that we need to tackle. It should be phased out for compulsory private retirement funds. Social Security was only meant for disabled elderly when it was first established. It was never meant to be a retirement fund.
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    I would die before letting canada take over the US
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I would die before letting canada take over the US
    I chuckled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I would die before letting canada take over the US
    So long as they'd respect Kentucky's sovereignty as a state, I'd welcome our Anglo-Canadian overlords.

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    Or they'd just join together .

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    The US government just placed Canada on a black list:

    Canada joins China, Russia in US list of top IP scofflaws

    The usual suspects have shown up once again on the US Trade Representative's annual Special 301 report on nations that need to step up their game when it comes to enforcing intellectual property rights. But this year, the USTR elevated Canada to the same level as China and Russia, which has some critics incredulous towards the US' motives.

    The Office of the US Trade Representative (USTR) released its annual Special 301 report (PDF) on Thursday, which discusses the adequacy and effectiveness of IP protections by US trading partners. As usual, China, Russia, Chile, and India topped the list when it came to concerns over piracy. But this time, the USTR gave some extra love to our neighbors to the north by elevating Canada from the regular "Watch List" to the "Priority Watch List" for the first time.

    First, though, let's look at the usual suspects. The USTR acknowledged that China is paying increased attention to IP rights as of late, but that the continued goal in significantly reducing infringement throughout China has not been met. "China’s IPR enforcement regime remains largely ineffective and non-deterrent," wrote the USTR. The report goes so far as to say that China's officials may be concerned about their job security during the latest economic slowdown and, as such, have encouraged more lenient enforcement of IP laws.

    On the upside, the USTR says that China went to "unprecedented lengths" to crack down on unauthorized transmissions of the Beijing Olympics in 2008, though overall piracy and counterfeiting levels remained "unacceptably high." Russia sits in a similar position as China, with piracy and counterfeiting remaining core concerns for content creators. "Despite having closed down some illegal websites offering pirated music, many more have sprung up in their place," notes the USTR, no doubt referencing the notorious AllofMP3 and its kin.

    Now we finally get to blame the Great White North. Canada, which has consistently made the regular Watch List in recent years, was elevated to the Priority Watch List with the likes of China and Russia for the first time in the 2009 report. The reason Canada got this special treatment, it appears, is the country's "failure to accede to and implement the WIPO Internet Treaties" that it signed in 1997, as well as allegedly not delivering on its promises to improve IP rights protections and enforcement. This, as pointed out by University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist, is despite Canada's enacting anticamcording laws in 2007 and the fact that Canada has joined the US as a third party in the WTO copyright complaint against China.

    In fact, Canada does not even recognize the USTR's Special 301 Report process; officials argue that the report lacks objective analysis. In 2007, the House of Commons reiterated that it doesn't think very highly of the USTR's list: "We have repeatedly raised this issue of the lack of objective analysis in the 301 watch list process with our US counterparts. I also recognize that the US industry likes to compare anyone they have a problem with, concerning their IPR regime, to China and the other big violators, but we're not on the same scale."

    The US-based International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA) also targeted Canada earlier this year for special attention as a "priority" offender (in addition to China, Russia, and 35 others). The IIPA represents the BSA, ESA, MPAA, RIAA, and other major copyright business groups, however, and does as much as it can to influence the 301 process. It comes as no surprise, then, that the IIPA was pleased with the USTR's 2009 list. "Special 301 is a critical tool by which the US government has been able to secure improved copyright protection and enforcement as well as fair and equitable market access with our trading partners," said IIPA representative Eric H. Smith in a statement issued Thursday. "We commend USTR for the decision to elevate Canada to the Priority Watch List. Canada remains woefully behind the rest of the developed world (and many countries in the developing world as well) in adopting critical legislation that will facilitate the development of a healthy online marketplace for copyright materials."

    The IFPI nodded in sad agreement: "It is very unfortunate but correct that Canada has been placed on the United States Special 301 list of countries that offer inadequate protection for intellectual property," the music group said in a statement.


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    Canada's just a smaller, weaker, colder America with a french accent.
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    Not sure if I like this... gets very close to a American Union... which can go to some very bad places
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythre View Post
    Not sure if I like this... gets very close to a American Union... which can go to some very bad places
    The EU is the absolute extreme of trade unions. Currently with NAFTA we at the complete opposite end. There are very particular reasons as to why the EU works for them, and none of those reasons really apply here. A lot of the benefits of the EU wouldn't do a Canadian or an American any good.

    I'm not worried about any type of AU coming about, and I think it'd be rather pointless to become any stronger of a trade alliance at all.
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    I would love to have canada be annexed by the U.S. since we are pretty close culturally, but i would not support a union with their gun, health and immigration policies.

    "The only thing more important than promoting increased access to American markets is preserving Canada's robust multicultural identity. That identity is based on the world's most enlightened immigration policy, which encourages more people to move to our country, per capita, than any other nation, and which ensures that they come from all parts of the world, preventing the emergence of a race-based underclass such as the United States already created through slavery and is recreating through Latino immigration and which Europe is duplicating by allowing the vast majority of its immigrants to come from former colonies, which in many cases means northern Africa and the Middle East. Immigration is who we are. It is our future. It is the one thing we must never bargain away."

    That paragraph is disgusting.
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    America's politics are far too right for my liking. I oppose any union.

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    Union with US? For what sins?

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    About the only way to tell the difference between Canada and the US is that their gas is over priced and sold in liters.

    Other than that, same stores, same food, same buildings, same language (French, the norths Spanish, only with less worth ethic), same culture.

    Fishing is better though.

    You know how you can tell the difference between a Canadian and a American (to use the vernacular)? You can't.
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