WWM vs MMP

[Manji]

SO, i'm back to EU3 after an extended time without playing; this means I have no idea what content was added with Napoleon's Ambition and In Nomine.

Going from there, and assuming I acquire both, what is the main difference between the Whole World Mod and Magna Mundi Platinum? World events, historical events, economical triggers, etc?

[Kanaric]

MMP changes a lot of the core gameplay to make it far more difficult. I personally find it annoying and it keeps me away from MMP, imo it makes the game too restrictive. Try it and see if you can enjoy it yourself. Some people think its the best mod, i personally do not.

WWM extends the timeline to 1918 and expands on the current gameplay in the game, it is more like playing regular EU3 except with new events, decisions, etc.

[Marku]

i have to agree it tends to be too restrictive and rebellions are way too much in the case of england i find. but im playing more vanilla in IN and i think im becoming better at the game.

[Dayman]

WWM is like vanilla enhanced, it's not terribly difficult, and as is good for multiplayer. The timeline extension is fun, and there are nice events and decisions for an expansive power (forming the new Roman Empire or EU). It's certainly not difficult at all, as I find myself making large amounts of cash within 30-40 years. WWM is also incomplete, none of the later units have descriptions and the rebels are a bit overpowered. WWM is fun, but when I'm going for a challenge it certainly is not the mod to play.

MMP is a solid, tried-and-true mod. It contains a ton of scripting to keep the player from exploiting the system or doing anything really "unrealistic". Expansion is plausible, and taking a small, local power to a world-wide one is very difficult. There are tons of new events and scenarios, and the HRE dynamic is fun. The Sengoku Jidai period is fun as hell as well. When I want a single-player challenge, I go with MMP.

[Kanaric]

I just played through WWM and it needs some work. I found that too many ridiculous things happen in this game in terms of colonization. Its as if they didn't add distances properly with the new provinces so there are provinces in Australia for example that, if you explored the territory, you can colonize having no other colonies as Spain for example.

Its still fun though this aspect annoys me. Its not too severe though. They still focus on america.

[Cougar109]

I just played through WWM and it needs some work. I found that too many ridiculous things happen in this game in terms of colonization. Its as if they didn't add distances properly with the new provinces so there are provinces in Australia for example that, if you explored the territory, you can colonize having no other colonies as Spain for example.

Its still fun though this aspect annoys me. Its not too severe though. They still focus on america.

That actually sounds like a glitch that comes up if you don't clear out your entire map cache before loading up a game. I've seen it before and it's funny seeing the Mamulaks in New England, Teutonic Order in Brazil, Georgia in the Caribbean Islands, and the Timurads in Texas.

Only way to reach the far off lands is to colonize closer to such lands. In my Venice game I had to get cores in west Africa and then get a core on an island like Timor if I wanted to reach deep into the pacific and that's with a good naval tech and a +15% adviser.

Main gripe I have with WWM is the nations can get pretty crazy at times, like Japan taking over the entire Asian continent and Pacific Isles. To me though a lot of that randomness is fun, while I do like a bit of historical accuracy, if I wanted to re live history I'd read a book or pick up a documentary, and that's why I never liked MMP all that much as it did it's best to force you to re live history.

[John I Tzimisces]

mwahaha. When I get home I'm going to continue my kickass Italy game, as I try to create the new roman empire. I control half the provinces necessary I believe (Rome, Friuli, Saintonge or whatever in france, and something else...). I need...Barcelona, Paris, Toledo (no longer a problem, spain formed, so madrid is their capital now), Lisbon, and Attica. Attica, Barcelona, and Paris are top priority right now, as they aren't capitals and I can easily access them (well, not paris). I'm hoping to either surround Paris with my own territory or create vassals to the north, so I don't rack up ridiculous badboy. The Byzantines turned out to be a random lucky nation, so they're kicking ass, but they're a bit of a house of cards ready to collapse, I feel...
barcelona is a priority as I control Southern france. And Spain won't stop excommunicating me. Probably going to excommunicate them and rip them a new blowhole as soon as I can. After Barcelona is mine I can take my time to take Toledo, just as long as in that war I can get a border with portugal, surround lisboa, make them move their capital, and go in for the kill.

Oh. This is WWM...I started as Naples.

[Dayman]

Isn't Naples awesome?

[John I Tzimisces]

Isn't Naples awesome?

Haw. If you start a little later as them, they begin with Rome, Latina, and another province or two, with cores on them...

ah, and a warning for any prospective romans. When the event fires you'll get cores on a whole bunch of provinces. Like the entirety of the western balkans region, or france, or italy, or iberia, and some north african provinces. The result is massive monthly prestige loss from uncontested claims...

[Chuffy]

Yeah Naples is your best bet at forming Italy in WMM. I don't think I'm as far ahead as you and I doubt I'll try to create the Roman Empire but I'm having lots of fun regardless. I've never really focused on the Med in my games of EU3. Right now I control the majority of Greece and the entire Adriatic coastline, got Greek as an accepted culture too which is nice, and I guess I'm going to work at kicking the Ottomans out of Europe entirely before colonising Africa.

Luckily France has managed to be contained by the combined efforts of me, Spain, Burgundy (which is forming some Dutch-North German empire at the moment) and Britain who still have enclaves on the continent. I think it says something about the ridiculousness of the French in EU3 that even with lucky nations off and 4 major powers surrounding and eating away at it it still presents a massive danger to any one of them.

I'm going to echo what Kanaric said though, MMP is far too restrictive. It's annoying because I generally don't exploit the game and don't try to cheese my way to victory. Nor do I like to create gigantic European Empires that are unbeatable. So really playing a mod that forces you to stop that (and a few other things) doesn't hold much appeal to me.

Lots of people love it and it's had a lot of thought and effort put into it. It's definitely worth trying out.