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    From The Times

    May 1, 2009

    Confidential UN satellite images leaked yesterday appear to show that the Sri Lankan Air Force bombed a safe haven for up to 150,000 civilians fleeing fighting against the Tamil Tigers.

    The images contained in an internal UN report may constitute the strongest evidence yet of violations of international humanitarian law or war crimes, according to human rights activists. The report by Unosat, dated April 26, provides detailed images of the tiny strip of beach and coconut grove — now covering only 3.8sq miles (10sq km) — where the army has pinned down the Tigers along with thousands of civilians.

    The Government declared the area a safe haven or “no-fire zone” on February 12, urging civilians to seek shelter there, and has repeatedly denied using heavy artillery or aerial bombs to attack it.

    The Unosat report, based on images between February 5 and April 19, appears to back up the persistent verbal testimony to the contrary from doctors, aid workers and civilians fleeing the area. “Within the northern and southern sections of the civilian safe zone, there are new indications of building destruction and damages resulting from shelling and possible airstrikes,” the report said.

    Francesco Pisano, manager of the Unosat programme, told The Times that the report was compiled to assist UN agencies and aid organisations in Sri Lanka and was placed accidentally on one of their websites. He said that his analysts had concluded that some of the damage in the images could have been caused only by aerial bombing. “This kind of accuracy you acquire only with air power,” he said. “The craters beyond a certain size also make our analysts almost certain that these were air-dropped bombs.”

    He declined to say which side was responsible. The army says that it destroyed the last of the Tigers’ small air wing when it shot down two of its planes over Colombo in February. Human rights activists said that the images required detailed analysis and further inquiries but could provide the hardest evidence yet that the army had shelled and bombed civilians.

    “This is incontrovertible evidence that the Government has been lying for months,” Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director for Human Rights Watch, said. A Sri Lankan military spokesman was not immediately available for comment.

    Meenakshi Ganguly, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch (HRW), told Al Jazeera that the pictures did give evidence that civilians were at risk, saying the government may have "deliberately deceived the international community when they expressed concern about the situation".

    "The pictures do prove that heavy weapons were used and indeed civilian casualties did occur, as shown by UN figures of the death toll since January," she said.

    "In fact, HRW once recorded the sound of shelling which was dropping near a hospital."

    Source: The Times
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    The Srilankan president is facing genocide charges in the American and British courts, and these would go a long way in prosecuting him and his cohorts for their human rights abuses

    Furthermore these images prove that the reason no foreighn journalists/officials were not allowed to monitor the humanitarian situation in Lanka by the government was its desire to hide this ongoing massacre of civilians from the rest of the world.

    on related news

    Sweden recalls its ambassador from SriLanka in Protest



    Sri Lanka has refused to allow the Swedish Foreign Minister to enter the country today on a joint mission with his British and French counterparts

    Carl Bildt was due to join David Miliband and Bernard Kouchner in Colombo this morning to urge the Government to grant aid agencies access to tens of thousands of civilians still trapped on the front line.
    Colombo refused to grant Mr Bildt a visa yesterday, setting off a diplomatic row with the EU as the Sri Lankan Army said that it was poised to defeat the Tigers after 26 years of civil war.

    This is remarkable,” Mr Bildt said on the sidelines of an EU Foreign Ministers’ meeting in Luxembourg. “You just don’t act this way.

    Mr Bildt said he had recalled the Swedish Ambassador from Colombo in protest, adding that Sri Lankan authorities had not given any reason for their decision. “They’re trying to say that the British and French visit was planned in advance but it wasn’t,” he said. “It’s very strange behaviour . . . exceedingly strange behaviour.”
    in other words; He is saying that Srilanka does not want foreighn observers or journalists there because it wants to hide the genocide thats going on
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    Head of the Norwegian Srilanka Monitoring mission(SLMM); Major General Ulf Henricsson blames the Srilanka military for the biggest Massacer of International Aid workers in recent times.




    International ceasefire monitors Wednesday blamed the Sri Lankan military for the massacre of 17 local aid workers from international group Action Contre La Faim earlier this month, Reuters reported, quoting Sri Lanka Monitoring Mission (SLMM). Outgoing SLMM head Ulf Henricsson, called the killings a"committed act of assassination" and "one of the most serious recent crimes against humanitarian aid workers worldwide,"

    AP reported.

    “SLMM is, with the obtained findings, convinced that there cannot be any other armed groups than the Security Forces who could actually have been behind act,”
    the SLMM said. The finding is based on its investigation and interviews with other parties and the international community, the SLMM said.



    15 of the ACF staff had been found dead on the floor of their ruined office, while two had been gunned down while apparently trying to escape in a car. In the office, the bodies, clad in ACF T-shirts, had bullet wounds and most of them lay face down.All except one, a Muslim, were Tamils.


    The SLMM ruled the execution-style killings of the aid workers in Muttur a breach of the Ceasefire Agreement. Earlier,
    the SLMM charged that the Sri Lankan authorities are deliberately hampering efforts to investigate the murder of 17 aid workers, some of whose relatives also blamed the military for the killings.

    “I have experienced this in the Balkans before. When you're not let in, it's a sign that there's something they want to hide,”

    Henricsson told Reuters two weeks ago.

    “You have a lot of time to clear it up. If there was clear evidence for the ltte to have done it, why not let us in to see it?”

    Henricsson said amid accusations by the Sri Lankan government the Tamil Tigers carried out the massacre.

    “They (government forces) are denying us access to the whole area, so we cannot monitor. There were journalist trips arranged to Mutur. That was possible, but we had no access. Why? For security reasons? Of course not. There are other reasons.”



    The SLMM report Wednesday backed up accusations by parents of some of the murdered aid workers who blamed Sri Lankan troops who recaptured Muttur town from the LTTE in early August for the killings.
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    The Srilankan Government responded to the Allegations by this Norwegian monitoring mission by claiming that the NGO's are "white terrorists"!!
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    Wait what, am I missing something in your signiture, it says your a Hindu and an Atheist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
    Wait what, am I missing something in your signiture, it says your a Hindu and an Atheist?
    yes, being a Hindu and an atheist are not mutually exclusive, cos Atheism was and still is a main school of thought in Hinduism.
    Im a Hindu who does not believe in god as it implies an inherent inequality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Smeel View Post
    disgusting.....
    yes, the UN estimates that at least 7000 civilians have died in the past 3 months, and around 15 000 injured due to such bombardment.
    Naturally the Srilankan Government claims that the "NGO" are "paid by terrorists" to make such "propagandist claims" against the Srilankan government.

    It is indeed sickening.
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    disgusting.....

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    The Srilankan president is facing genocide charges in the American and British courts, and these would go a long way in prosecuting him and his cohorts for their human rights abuses
    Are these private attempts at prosecution, not official government charges ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    Are these private attempts at prosecution, not official government charges ?

    Private attempts, but as he is an American citizen; he is answerable to the courts

    The Former deputy attorney general under President Reagan, Bruce Fein is the counsel for the group which has made these charges and has presented a document consisting of a 1000 pages; listing the evidence against the Srilankan president.

    many NGO's such as HRW, Amnesty international, the Norwegian Srilanka monitoring mission etc etc are expected to be witnesses in this case, along with civilian witnesses.


    An Article by Bruce Fein in the Boston Globe
    Genocide In SriLanka
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    This is awful, I guess India has a hand in this since we're supplying arms to the government right?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    This is awful, I guess India has a hand in this since we're supplying arms to the government right?.
    yes, its something that i really dislike about the Indian Congress government.
    The BJP on the other hand, wants sanctions to be imposed on Srilanka.

    The congress party is barking up the wrong tree if it thinks that the Lankan Tamils getting their own country/Federal state would be detrimental to Indian Unity. In fact it was the Lankan Tamils who collected funds and sent it to Nehru, his daughter Indria During the Indo Pak wars. of course the amount might not be much, but the intention is what counts..

    The Srilanka Government, on the other hand; allowed Pakistani warplanes to refuel in the Colombo airport during the Indo-Pak wars....



    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    i only just got into this whol tamil tigers crapola
    why did it take so long for the sri lankan gov. to take out the tamil tigers?

    in case you are not aware, this news article is about civilians getting killed. Btw, the Tigers themselves are but a symptom of the disease. for the last 60 years the Srilankan government has done nothing but alienate the minorities by being pro-majority(Sinhalese)

    it all started right after the British left; when the Srilankan government banned English and Tamil as national languages and made Sinhalese the sole national language.This led to the English Educated intelligentsia soddenly finding themselves out of work, their jobs now filled with illiterate villagers. Even though this law was rescinded a decade later; the government only pays lip service to it as most government offices only have Sinhalese documents.

    oh and yes...the 3 decades long non-violent(Gandhian) protests by the Lankan Tamils were met with violence and government sponsored pogroms...which ultimately forced youngsters to take up arms. youngsters who were only interested in getting an education and living a life free of discrimination.

    The lankan Tamils , even though they were only ~25% of the population, made up around 65% of the doctors, Engineers and lawyers in the country till 1971. And how did the Srilankan government react? it brought a law called "standardization", that effectively allowed a Sinhalese student who go say..for example 280/400 possible points to enter the engineering faculty in the university over a Tamil student who got 370/400!. for the Exact same exam, the exact same question!!
    The reason given by the Srilankan government for this blatantly discriminatory policy? simple.."Tamils have better educational resources"!!....its like saying "hey you are studying hard and getting good grades...i dont do that..so im gonna bring this law to get into university anyways!".. This alienated entire generations of Tamil youth; who had no recourse but to rebel against the government.

    even now; the government still continues with its discriminatory policies.

    recently the srilankan Military commander stated "This is a Sinhala Buddhist country, and others should act accordingly"!!
    instead of firing him for this racist remark(as any sane government would have), the Srilankan government defended his remarks. ...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    The congress party is barking up the wrong tree if it thinks that the Lankan Tamils getting their own country/Federal state would be detrimental to Indian Unity. ..
    sri lanka isnt a part of india
    wat are they on about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    yes, its something that i really dislike about the Indian Congress government.
    The BJP on the other hand, wants sanctions to be imposed on Srilanka.

    The congress party is barking up the wrong tree if it thinks that the Lankan Tamils getting their own country/Federal state would be detrimental to Indian Unity. In fact it was the Lankan Tamils who collected funds and sent it to Nehru, his daughter Indria During the Indo Pak wars. of course the amount might not be much, but the intention is what counts..

    The Srilanka Government, on the other hand; allowed Pakistani warplanes to refuel in the Colombo airport during the Indo-Pak wars....
    lol yeah well maybe Congress is supporting the government because of the memory of what happend to Rajiv Gandhi in May 1991....

    Just my theory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    lol yeah well maybe Congress is supporting the government because of the memory of what happend to Rajiv Gandhi in May 1991....

    Just my theory

    pardon me for saying this..Rajiv gandhi is the G.W Bush of India. That guy was as knowledgable about Indian geopolitics as a blind bat. . He was suckered by J.R Jayawardana, the then srilankan president. I did not support what happened to him..it was just counterproductive .

    also; if you have read the article by the Indian general commanding the IPKF operation; you would see that Rajiv's mentor (a.k.a his Cheney) Dixit. Ordering the army to shoot a person coming for a peace talk in the back? at least the Indian general had the sense to uphold the army's tradition.

    J N Dixit, who was High Commissioner to Sri Lanka in 1987, had asked the Indian Peace Keeping Force to arrest or kill LTTE leader Pirabakaran when he came for a meeting, saying Rajiv Gandhi wanted them to do so.


    This has been claimed by Major General (retd) Harkirat Singh, who was the GoC of the IPKF, in his book Intervention in Sri Lanka.


    “On the night of 14/15 September 1987, I received a telephone call from Dixit, directing me to arrest or shoot Pirabakaran when he came for the meeting.


    Telling Dixit that I would get back to him, I placed a call to the OFC Lt Gen Depinder Singh who directed me to tell Dixit that we, as an orthodox Army, did not shoot people in the back when they were coming for a meeting under the white flag.


    I then spoke to Dixit and conveyed the message emphasising that I would not obey his directive.”


    “I pointed out that the LTTE supremo had been invited by the IPKF to find a solution to the accord. Dixit replied, “He (Rajiv Gandhi) has given these instructions to me and the Army should not drag its feet, and you as the GOC, IPKF will be responsible for it,” Harkirat says in the book.


    Dixit is no longer alive, but Maj Gen Singh, 71, recalled the 20-year-old conversation when this website’s newspaper spoke to him over phone.


    The next day, Harkirat did meet Pirabakaran. The same morning, he also received a call from Lt Gen B C Joshi, the then DG Military Operations, who supported his stand on Dixit’s directive.
    However, the Army chief, Gen Sundarji, expressed his annoyance. Four months later, Harkirat was posted out.


    He is also not sure if Dikshit was actually conveying Rajiv ‘s orders. “There is no way to cross-check . Like me, Dixit must have received orders from above,” Harkirat says.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    sri lanka isnt a part of india
    wat are they on about

    my point exactly! The Indian congress party thinks that if the Tamils of Lanka get autonomy/their own country it might embolden groups in india to do the same. lol but india does not carry out genocide on a sector of its populus like Srilanka does so there aint any nee for anyone to secede...the Congress party is comparing apples to oranges...lol more like comparing apples to astronomy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    The congress party is barking up the wrong tree if it thinks that the Lankan Tamils getting their own country/Federal state would be detrimental to Indian Unity. In fact it was the Lankan Tamils who collected funds and sent it to Nehru, his daughter Indria During the Indo Pak wars. of course the amount might not be much, but the intention is what counts..

    The Srilanka Government, on the other hand; allowed Pakistani warplanes to refuel in the Colombo airport during the Indo-Pak wars....
    Too bad that the big bad sri lankans helps the bad,a weful anti-hindu pakistan not die. Those damn and dirty Pakistani's right?

    And I'm sure every Indian is aware of what the intention was of the tamils who blew up Rajiv. You support the LTTE you live, you don't and every tamil hates your guts.

    How do you feel about the first suicide bombings being done by the tamils?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Too bad that the big bad sri lankans helps the bad,a weful anti-hindu pakistan not die. Those damn and dirty Pakistani's right?

    And I'm sure every Indian is aware of what the intention was of the tamils who blew up Rajiv. You support the LTTE you live, you don't and every tamil hates your guts.

    How do you feel about the first suicide bombings being done by the tamils?

    dude i think you seriously need to work on your posting skills(took me a while to figure out what you meant), but then again this is a typical TS post, so i should know better.

    in case you are not aware(i know you are NOT aware of this issue at all cos in another thread you claimed that Lankan Tamils were Indians ), this is a secular call for democracy and certainly not one of your friendly neighborhood religious-fundie ones that Pakistan is stock full of.

    ps: can you pls keep your Pakistan cheerleading posts out of this thread pls? posting on-topic would be much welcome
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    Of course it's bad that civilians die, but the Tamil Tiogers are equally to blame. If they are so concerned with the civilian casualtries whynot surrender. Their cause in lost and their claim has never been valid.

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    i only just got into this whol tamil tigers crapola
    why did it take so long for the sri lankan gov. to take out the tamil tigers?

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    What really annoys me is how little you hear of this in most western media sources. Changes my perspective on things quite a lot actually. That's always a problem with things like this. If the people in the western country's don't hear about it then the western governments who probably know about it won't act against it and if the western nations won't then no other nation has a reason to do so because they can still make money out of the situation which appears to be the only thing any country cares about in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishy View Post
    What really annoys me is how little you hear of this in most western media sources. Changes my perspective on things quite a lot actually. That's always a problem with things like this. If the people in the western country's don't hear about it then the western governments who probably know about it won't act against it and if the western nations won't then no other nation has a reason to do so because they can still make money out of the situation which appears to be the only thing any country cares about in the first place.

    You hit the nail on the head , The issue here is that a lot of regional countries have vested interests in keeping the situation from becoming headline news. China is actively vying for a base/listening post/harbor facilities. It has repeatedly opposed motions for sanctions/condemnations against the SriLankan government every time this issue is brought to the UN security council. Furthermore; as this region does not have any oil or any other strategic resource, the majority of western nations turn a blind eye. Countries like Norway , Sweden and a few others do condemn the actions by the SriLankan government; but are not given a lot of attention in the media here in the west.

    think what the outcry would have been if say for example the venuzualen president called foreighn diplomats "White terrorists"?? the Media would be all over it, but the Srilankan Government has done exactly that...not only have they called any government diplomat that criticizes them a "White terrorist/colonialist blah blah blah" but also have deported a few!

    SriLanka is a rouge nation thats hardly ever in the limelight. The BBC is probably the only news agency that gives importance to the events in Lanka, and natually they have been called "Terrorist Sympathizers" by the Srilankan government. The International NGOs like Human rights watch, Amnesty international and doctors without borders have condemned the Srilankan Governments human rights abuses; and as a result are banned from the country.
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    It's not really any of our business. I'm glad that Obongo (Obama) is focusing on us, even though he's trying to turn the USA into a fascist 4th reich.
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    So what would be the prefect solution here? Would you like the Tamils to turn the regular Sri Lankans into slaves? Instead of Sri Lanka call it Tamil Lanka?

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