A few questions.

**full_too_pale** · May 01, 2009, 10:27 AM

I still cannot increase loyalty among my Generals and family members. I make them governers but nothing happens. Also, is there some sort of trigger for a civil war when you reach a certain date? The senate declared me an outlaw after a couple turns and i didn't even go near their land; and they blamed me for starting the war when they attacked me!!!
So far i have conquered Carthage, Egypt, the Iberian penninsula, all of Italy, and Macedonia. The Greeks are relentless and i finally restrained Gaul for the time being. So are there any triggers for events once you conquer a certain amount of nations or a specific nation?

**Hesus de bodemloze** · May 01, 2009, 10:39 AM

I believe so. I am not sure what the amount would be to trigger the civil war but i remember some thing of 50 provinces.

**Raglan** · May 01, 2009, 12:30 PM

i think this one is like vanila - once you get to big the senate will outlaw you

unfortantly i'm not sure

of course you have a large number of proviences so it is likely

**lt1956** · May 01, 2009, 06:57 PM

The Civil war will occur MANY times in your campaign but doesnt start until you have a good empire of course that means LATER in the game, if you cheat and conquer fast etc then you will miss out. With all the land you have taken it sounds as if you blitzed and dont use the script?

On the generals they dont gain loyalty everytime, its very random, its just a CHANCE for them to gain something, they wont gain nothing in the field, also the city has to be an imperial palace I believe, its been a while. lol

**Raglan** · May 01, 2009, 07:09 PM

imperial palace - nice thats useful to know

**Ejergard** · May 01, 2009, 08:42 PM

I've had generals gain loyalty in towns with lesser palaces than imperial ones. Some of my old veterans that were down to 1 loyalty are now at 3 points after some 10-15 years or so in retirement as governors of towns. Might go faster in imperial towns, dunno

**saienga** · May 01, 2009, 09:13 PM

I had a general flip on me...too long in the field. Then on the next AI shift I had CTD.
So I reloaded, and the reload took me back to before he flipped. Just to experiment I took him into Genua. Dumpy and underdeveloped town with nothing going for it.

He's still loyal 10 turns later.

So maybe they don't gain points governing, but they sure do stop losing them.