NY Assembly Passes Comprehensive Gun Package

[Gelgoog]

http://assembly.state.ny.us/Press/20090428/

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Assembly Codes Committee Chair Joseph Lentol today announced the Assembly's passage of a legislative package to combat gun violence. The bills will enhance safety by assisting police in their efforts to investigate illegal firearms, prohibiting felons from buying guns, requiring child-proof devices on guns and banning advanced firearms and ammunition used to kill police officers.


"New York is one of the safest states in the nation and it must stay that way," said Silver (D-Manhattan). To achieve this, we must craft laws that prevent dangerous felons from possessing weapons while assisting law enforcement agencies as they combat gun trafficking. Although the majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens, we must ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of violent felons or children. This package contains bills that address public safety, while weighing the needs of hunters and sportspeople."

Silver added that this year's legislation, considered this week in recognition of National Crime Victims Week, was introduced in remembrance of the tenth anniversary of the 1999 Columbine High School shooting and the 13 victims of the recent shooting in Binghamton.

"Last year, the Assembly successfully passed legislation which was enacted that creates a comprehensive database to help prevent people suffering from serious mental illnesses from purchasing guns," said Lentol (D-Brooklyn). "This year, we will continue pushing for smart gun laws to protect communities across New York. Today's legislation sets important record keeping and reporting standards for gun dealers and pawn shops and prohibits the sale of ammunition which serves no practical purpose yet possesses the capacity to pierce through protective bulletproof vests. Additionally, our legislation helps police investigate gun-related crimes through manufacturer identification of firearms."

One bill requires the re-licensing and recertification of firearms permits after five years (A.801A/Paulin). This will help ensure that licensing authorities have the oversight they need to protect the public while balancing the legitimate constitutional rights of gun owners. Another bill creates the Children's Weapon Accident Protection Act which requires that there be a weapons-safety program for schoolchildren and creates crimes of failing to safely store firearms (A.5844/Weisenberg).

The legislative package also addresses public safety by requiring all firearms sold in the state to be childproof (A.1326/Englebright) and capable of microstamping ammunition (A.6468/Schimel),and by instituting background checks for firearms sold at pawn shops (A.7574/Hoyt). Another bill requires stringent recordkeeping and reporting of gun sales, liability insurance and employee training for gunsmiths to prevent the sale of guns through so-called "straw purchases" (A.1093/Paulin).

Other measures in the Assembly gun package would:

* Protect the safety of law enforcement personnel by prohibiting the sale and ownership of ammunition designed to fragment or explode upon impact and pierce body armor (A.2881/Koon);
* Require law enforcement authorities to record projectiles, shell casings and guns in their possession which they suspect were used in a gun crime into an electronic databank (A.2882A/Koon);
* Ban the sale, use or possession of 50-caliber or larger weapons, and creates a program to recall those currently legally owned (A.3211A/Eddington);
* Define a "disguised gun" to include those weapons designed and intended to appear to be a toy gun and ban their production and sale. (A.5078/Lentol);
* Encourage responsible gun ownership by establishing a standard firearms safety course for people applying for a gun license (A.3076B/Kavanagh);
* Add to the definition of assault weapon to include additional weapons (A.6157/Titone); and
* Empower courts to revoke licenses and seize weapons of certain individuals who could present a threat to the public (A.7733/Lupardo).

if you were wondering when the jackboot thugs were going to come, this would be the time to get worried. I highlighted all the dubious and retarded statments.

banning advanced firearms and ammunition used to kill police officers.

wtf is an advanced firearm? can you be more vague? anything beyond black powdered weapons ? Ballastic vests come in all shapes and sizes, you can have vest the only protect against puny 9mm and less, or you can have vests that protect at .308 so there is alot of wiggle room there.

capable of microstamping ammunition

micro stamping and registering ammunitions would be prohibitively expensive. Not to mention the fact that you can't mico stamp a bullet because it deforms upon impact, you would never be able to read a micro stamp from a crime scene. Its a retarded attempt to get around a gun ban by outlawing ammunition or at least doing it in a way reminiscent of jim crow laws to disenfranchise those who are not rich.

and by instituting background checks for firearms sold at pawn shops

redundant. Anybody who sells firearms for business purposes is required to have a federal firearms licence that requires them to do background checks, this includes pawn shops. this law makes no sense.

Protect the safety of law enforcement personnel by prohibiting the sale and ownership of ammunition designed to fragment or explode upon impact and pierce body armor

fragment? as in frangibles that were designed to be used inside buildings so that they do not over penetrate walls and injure innocents. the same bullets that Air mashalls use so they don't cause depressurization....yea lets take a safe bullet off the market. bullets that explode upon impact...um what? there is no such thing. exploding ammunition is only feasible in weapons of .50 cal and above and even then you can't buy them in the US.

Require law enforcement authorities to record projectiles, shell casings and guns in their possession which they suspect were used in a gun crime into an electronic databank

they already do this. redundant.

Ban the sale, use or possession of 50-caliber or larger weapons, and creates a program to recall those currently legally owned

and so the gun confiscations have begun. Sorry no .50 bmg rifles, no .50 beowulf AR15s, no .50 AE desert eagles. sorry but when were these used in crimes? I guess you can no longer own a .50 cal blackpowder weapon either. yeesh retarded law alert.

Define a "disguised gun" to include those weapons designed and intended to appear to be a toy gun and ban their production and sale.

what does that even mean? banning airsoft?

Add to the definition of assault weapon to include additional weapons

great, so my 3 shot clip fed rifle will be on the ban list?

Empower courts to revoke licenses and seize weapons of certain individuals who could present a threat to the public

and this means what exactly. its so vague that it can mean as little as someone who was committed to a mental insititution. Or it could mean stripping soldiers with PTSD of their rights, profiling people deemed by the state as possible threats( wohoo guilty until proven innocent), sorry libertarians you could be dangerous, hand over those guns.

[Stavroforos]

Good for NY.

[Thanatos]

This is terrible. If they can't get rid of guns, they'll just make it near impossible to get, which is just as good according to them.

[Xen]

Gawd, and a main attraction to the US was guns for me, now there banning them. I mean after one state does this, it's gonna have a knock on effect.

[bushbush]

why do you even want guns lmao? there are so many great things in life, what do you want to play with something that can be deadly to yourself and people around you? It's just stupid.

[Gelgoog]

why do you even want guns lmao? there are so many great things in life, what do you want to play with something that can be deadly to yourself and people around you? It's just stupid.

lets stay on topic please, and not turn this into "what good are guns" europeans vs americans thread.

[Admiral Piett]

why do you even want guns lmao? there are so many great things in life, what do you want to play with something that can be deadly to yourself and people around you? It's just stupid.

Everyone has their own interests. Not everyone has the same activities. I'm personally a pacifist, but I enjoy taking a gun to the shooting range. It's very fun and just about anyone can do it in those controlled environments. Why are people so intent on punishing people for certain interests or fixations? So what if some people have a fixation on guns. Having a desire for guns doesn't make someone a crazed madman vigilante stalking the streets and intimidating co-workers. If you've noticed, people who live in cities tend to be more anti-gun and people in rural areas to be strongly pro-gun. Now where do most violent crime with weapons occur? Cities and towns. You don't often hear about someone in a population full of gun owners going off on people. While you and others may personally despise guns, don't force that opinion on those who disagree.

Besides, we need protection for the inevitable zombie invasion.

Don't punish the entire population because of bad boys. There are various methods we could do to make these occurances less likely. I support background checks. BUT, we've also got to focus more police efforts on the illegal gun trade. That's where all of the criminals get their weapons. Most guns that are found on such people are not even registered.

And Rome, that comment towards scheuch was totally out of line, sir. I would have expected more from you.

[Каие]

Don't you have anything else to think about, like swine flu? insecure much?

[Xen]

Don't you have anything else to think about, like swine flu? insecure much?

Defend your house from Swine Flu. With Barret 50.cal

[Gelgoog]

Don't you have anything else to think about, like swine flu? insecure much?

no im pretty secure. I plan to keep it that way. so lets leave out the personal attacks.

[Nietzsche]

The trouble with lawmakers is they frequently don't understand the nature of the circumstances for which they are making law.

This is a good example. The arbitrary selection of .50 cal or larger weapons for removal from homes is ridiculous. The use of such firearms in real crime is almost negligible. They are difficult to use effectively, difficult to transport, and are generally expensive with expensive ammunition.

Most actual gun crime is in the lower calibre ranges because such guns are easy for criminals to get DESPITE gun legislation. They are easy to ease, easy to load, and easily portable. Lawmakers clearly have no clue as to the nature and use of guns.

As for the remaining legislation, it does allow for a large number of loopholes and interpretations. But let's face it, the legislative assemblies are hellbent on abusing some correlation between gun availability and gun crime. They are equally hellbent on taking the guns out of millions of law-abiding Americans homes because a few thousand decide to use them for criminal enterprise.

The US government won't be happy until its citizens are disarmed and at the mercy of criminals. Then they can begin establishing the broader police state for further protection that would not otherwise be needed if citizens could defend themselves.

While I do not support the private ownership of assault type weapons (Read: Military grade), I fully support the rights of Americans to own rifles, handguns, and other such weapons as protected by the 2nd Amendment. Criticism of the 2nd Amendment is necessary to weigh the benefits of liberty to the protection of individuals. I don't think a private citizen needs an assault weapon. However, I think the definition of assault weapon needs to be specifically defined.

@Rome: Seriously, you sound unhinged. Get off his nuts. He has not been unreasonable. you have.

[Каие]

@Rome: Seriously, you sound unhinged. Get off his nuts. He has not been unreasonable. you have.

Aye, calling to account silly scaremongering is indeed, unreasonable.

[Каие]

respond to what, all you did was setup a straw man argument laced with personal attacks. If I said you had a small penis...that does not exactly set us up for an intelligent debate now does it.

Straw man, eh? Nice trick, if it was true. Lets take a look shall we?

The following statements were made by you;

if you were wondering when the jackboot thugs were going to come, this would be the time to get worried. I highlighted all the dubious and retarded statments.

and so the gun confiscations have begun.

My response to this was;

Don't you have anything else to think about, like swine flu? insecure much?

You translated that as an insult. In your OP you tell people it's time to ''start getting worried'' and use rhetoric which suggests gun confiscations by ''jackboot thugs'' is imminent. I had every right, and legitimacy, to point out insecurity for your guns.

great then start a debate about this in a new thread, stop your off topic posting

Nice try.

Do tell me, why does the workings of a nation an ocean away stick in your craw so much. Why are you obsessed with coming into these threads when you obviously have no evidence to support any of your positions. Its pretty much a waste of all our time arguing unless you are going to bring something besides opinions that no one cares about.

Tell me again, because I forgot, what is my ''opinion'' and ''position''?

The only people I have ever know who have an irrational fear of guns, are those who have never been around them, or who have let their head be filled with lies. surprisingly the most vocal advocates for american gun control on these boards are those silly brits like yourself.

I thank you for your concern, but unlike yourself, I grew up during a very bloody civil war, and I assure many many guns were ''around''.

But naturally, you have evidence for my support of American gun control? I have stated my position numerous times, and even in the very post you quoted yet conveniently ignored, that I am indifferent to American gun laws, I am merely questioning the insinuations.

oh really where have I repeat threads? Anytime a new bills comes up I bring it to attention. Its called watchdoging.

You do a great service to the American people sir, I salute you. Might I recommend a blog?

But your just a silly brit as you say, so wtf would you know about the US or what goes on here. Why you even bother to troll these threads that have no personal affect on you, nor do you have any meaningful content, it is beyond me.

Indeed, because I am, as you say, a Briton, this automatically bars me from even comprehending anythign that happens in the United States., because, of course, the internet does not exist, neither does the mass media. We are in fact communicating telepathically right now. That means I am completely shut off on this Island, and can have NO opinion.

maybe you can't read, but this particular issue has nothing to do with obama, its about New York, this is something being done by that state's government. Please if your going to troll about something, make sure its actually in a thread that is discussing that issue.

And who runs New York's government? The Republicans, or Dems?

[Martin N]

Guns in new york are nearly as restricted as washington, nothing changes here, start to worry if it becomes nationwide.

[Mythre]

Erg... just plain annoying and just one more chip into our rights...


Boo New York

[Player989random]

Even if so and so owned a .50 or above, what are they going to do with it? I mean in terms of "Harm people". You can't just walk around with a Desert Eagle and expect the same accuracy with a gun that uses a smaller bullet. I think someone played a little too much COD4.

And any weapon can go through a vest, so are they now going to take away your combat knifes?

With the microstamping bullets, this is what Chris Rock predicted. You make bullets more expensive than guns, and bam, no more crimes since it would cost about $1600 to get 16 bullets.

[Thanatos]

With the microstamping bullets, this is what Chris Rock predicted. You make bullets more expensive than guns, and bam, no more crimes since it would cost about $1600 to get 16 bullets.

Because a black market could never exist, right?

[Player989random]

Because a black market could never exist, right?

My main point is that the average layman could not afford bullets and the industry in the whole would suffer. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a hick in the backwoods or that crazy kid at school carrying a full auto shotgun, but if Billy wants a Glock then by all means go and get it.

It would be like adding warnings to each and every individual cigarette that read "CAUTION: THIS MAY KILL YOU, YOUR FETUS, AND THOSE AROUND YOU". Sure it could help, but it would cost a lot and up the price of a pack.

[Boer]

How long do you think before this hits the Supreme Court?

[The spartan]

"Ok...suppose there is a gang called the baby skulls, and the baby skulls' thing is that they were baby skulls around their necks!"