Asia: Deciphering the Zodiac (In Alpha Stages)

**Tan Zhi Han** · April 30, 2009, 01:18 PM

This mod is not at all limited to China. The purpose of this mod is to bring Asia into the Empire Total War game.

I admit I was disappointed that I could not take over the world using the country of my ancestors.

And so I want to mend this problem now.

*This is an expansion of the original game, and is not meant to overhaul the game*

*This mod is based around the mod, A Proper Empire: Terra Incognita*

I invite all other Asia related mods to join in as well. I plan to include all the Asian countries.

Partner Mods
China Mod
Siam: Total War
A Proper Empire: Terra Incognita

Modders and Photoshop People needed! PM me if you are interested.

Modders, we can start building up factions, buildings, religions, units, traits, agents, etc. until someone develops a campaign map creator (which will allow us to put Asia on the map!)
Photoshop, we need people to make the textures (from scratch or from just mods of other units)

This is not meant to be a question of ethics, racism, etc. This is a historical reality mod to be developed with

the resources given. Do NOT try to view it as anything but this.

Currently Working On

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The Political Map

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The Troop List

Starting Factions (1700)

Major Factions

Minor Factions

Regions (Capital) - By Faction Control (Population) - (Religion)
[Trade] [Income] [+/- Upper Happiness] [+/- Lower Happiness]
[Town Listing (Order from top to bottom, then left to right)]

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**S-te-Fan** · April 30, 2009, 01:31 PM

Nice idea.. I have yet to see it even get started though...

**ranger86** · April 30, 2009, 01:36 PM

1.是不是应该加入在台湾的明朝残余势力？还有西北方向的准喀尔帝国？
2.投名状是晚清时代的电影，制服是否正确？
3.康熙年间的三番之乱能不能表现
4.如果把帝国原图剩余部分补齐，做mod有点困难；估计鬼子的战国mod也在做，你可以先把清军做完，然后再用其他mod的兵模添加；当然现在没有兵模工具是个问题

不知道能不能阿三兵改一个乡勇出来（都是缠头巾的，呵呵）
5.西方国家应该有东北的俄罗斯和澳门的葡萄牙把

**Tan Zhi Han** · April 30, 2009, 01:44 PM

-stefaneke

Certainly, this is just a start. I want to be able to give everyone some textured units first, so y'all can have something to look forward to. I'm working on finding some designers since I am no Photoshop master.

-ranger86

I like your ideas, but you should realize my Chinese ain't that great.

Try to keep it English if you can, otherwise, I will do my best. But yes, I will make those changes to the information once I have time. And Taiwan was definitely under Qing rule during the 18th century, the Ming remnants in Taiwan were conquered in the 17th century. -_-

And the movie most of those pictures are from is called "The Warlords." Awesome movie about the latter Qing.

**ranger86** · April 30, 2009, 01:53 PM

Don't you Chinese?
As you know,unlike Euro's balance factions
China is the only superior faction until mid 19th century,with the rise of Japan
so it may be too easy to use Qing

**Zeeky_Bomb** · April 30, 2009, 02:01 PM

Will you only do countries in the map you posted, or go a little further? I'd love to see Indonesia in. Here's a fairly decent source: http://www.gimonca.com/sejarah/sejarah03.shtml

I can't find a map, but Jakarta was Dutch-controlled at the time and the rest was Indonesian natives. I might also be able to help with some basic-ish modding. Also, will India/Siberia be in or will they just be "black hole" regiosn?

**Tan Zhi Han** · April 30, 2009, 05:36 PM

-rangery86

I do speak Chinese, but I don't read Chinese too well. I am ABC.

As for the Chinese superiority issue... You WOULD be correct if China had been more willing to expand globally. As it stands, China had always been the Middle Kingdom, and thus, they felt no need to go out, when they were "the center of all that was good." And China actually struggled greatly against the Dzungars and rebellion during the 18th century. Also, Siam and Vietnam were both powers that China was unable to conquer during this period. So, China was not almighty as some would believe, albiet, this was the Qing Dynasty's golden age.

-Zeeky_Bomb

I will certainly expand. I am only setting up a basic core of factions first. Once I have more information about the time period, more factions and countries will be added.

**ranger86** · May 04, 2009, 08:06 AM

some toys

royal guard artillely

regular archers
(Green regiment)

regular rifileman

**Erwin Rommel** · May 04, 2009, 08:19 AM

No Viceroyalty of New Spain? (ie. Philippine Islands.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Spain

I mean this will be kewl, I cant wait to see the Spanish pwn the asiatic hordes using the Philippines as a springboard to attack. MUWHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! (better not be yellow coats on it. Though as for me, I dont mind the yellow in the vanilla game.)

**Being Earnest** · May 04, 2009, 02:36 PM

5% Catholic for Korea? I don't think there was even 1% in 1700.
According to wikipedia, the first prayer house was established only in 1784.
I do think that there should be missionaries as the game progresses, but I have the impression that Christian presence on 1700 was so minimal that they should not exist in game terms.

**Tan Zhi Han** · May 04, 2009, 10:21 PM

-ranger86

Yes, I also have some pictures myself. As well as more information, I haven't updated in a while thought. Classes. Thanks for the great pics.

-Erwin Rommel

I was debating about including the Philippines, I suppose I must.

-Being Earnest

As for the Christianity, yes, you are correct. Amended. Thanks.

-To all

Do y'all mind looking into the kingdoms and regions of the Philippines and Malaysia? (And what lands the kingdoms constituted in 1700 - This part has been troublesome... There are many kingdoms for such a small area)

**diablochimp** · May 05, 2009, 12:43 AM

Cool idea for a mod,
It would be good to have some new diplomatic options to portray the "treaties" all the europeans put upon china.
also In the last photo Ranger posted, there is a soldier with a long rifle over another soldiers shoulder, We have one of those rifles at my work in an RSL (ex-soldiers club) that is over 9 feet long (and still in working order) i could get a photo of it if you want. but it was used as a mobile small calibre cannon.

**Erwin Rommel** · May 05, 2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tan Zhi Han

Do y'all mind looking into the kingdoms and regions of the Philippines and Malaysia? (And what lands the kingdoms constituted in 1700 - This part has been troublesome... There are many kingdoms for such a small area)

Fairly easy, maybe the whole Viceroyalty of New Spain, and maybe there local auxilliares, the Guardia Civil (not the SPanish one.) And maybe the Sultanate of Sulu.

**Shopperkimpy** · May 05, 2009, 10:48 AM

Siamese

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Burmese

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**Pazu the Kitsune** · May 06, 2009, 05:30 PM

Han, here is the Qing Chinese unit roster from our forum:

Armed Citizenry:
Long Spear Armed Citizenry(Armed Citizenry)(Peasants armed with long spears, weak, non-recruitable)

Melee Infantry:
Conscript Long Spear(Melee Infantry)(Peasants armed with long spears, weak, rather uncommon, cheap)
Qing Sword(Melee Infantry)(Regulars armed with Dao(swords) and shields, moderate, rather common, rather cheap)
Qing Long Spear(Melee Infantry)(Regulars armed with long spears, moderate, common, rather cheap)
Qing Halberd(Melee Infantry)(Regulars armed with chinese halberds, moderate, rather common, rather cheap)
Manchu Long Spear(unavailable after 1800)(Melee Infantry)(Regulars armed with long spears, better trained, good stamina, above moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)
Qing Armoured Sword(Elite Infantry)(Elite infantry armed with Dao (swords) and shields, wear heavy armour, elite, rather rare, expensive)
Qing Armoured Long Spear(Elite Infantry)(Elite infantry armed with long spears, wear heavy armour, elite, very uncommon, expensive)
Qing Armoured Halberd(Elite Infantry)(Elite infantry armed with chinese halberds, wear heavy armour, elite, rather rare, expensive)
Tigermen(Elite Infantry)(Mystics wearing tiger outfit, armed with sabers and shields, frighten nearby enemy cavalry, elite, very rare, expensive)

Missile Infantry:
Qing Zhuge Nu Miltia(Militia)(Peasants armed with repeating crossbow with poisoned bolts, above weak, rather common, cheap)
Qing Archers(Skirmishers)(Regulars armed with tartar bows, weak, rather common, cheap)
Qing Fire Spear(Line Infantry)(armed with muskets, moderate, common, rather cheap)
Manchu Fire Spear(Line Infantry)(unavailable after 1800)(armed with muskets, more experienced, moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)
Qing Elite Fire Spear(Elite Infantry)(armed with muskets, wear heavy armour, elite, very uncommon, expensive)
Qing Hand Bomb(Grenadiers)(armed with primitive grenades and short swords for melee, moderate, rather uncommon, rather expensive)
Qing Hand Huo Jian(Grenadiers)(armed with rockets fired from ground and short swords for melee, elite, very uncommon, expensive)

Melee Cavalry:
Qing Light Cavalry(Light Cavalry)(Light horsemen armed with Dao (swords), moderate, rather common, rather cheap)
Qing Lance Cavalry(Lancer Cavalry)(Light horsemen armed with lances, moderate, rather common, rather cheap)
Qing Heavy Cavalry(Heavy Cavalry)(Heavy cavalry armed with Dao (swords), above moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)
Mongol Cavalry(Lancer Cavalry)(Heavy cavalry armed with lances, above moderate, rather rare, rather expensive)
Imperial Guard Cavalry(Heavy Cavalry)(Heavy cavalry armed with Dao (swords), good morale, good stamina, elite, rather rare, expensive)
Qing General's Bodyguard(General)(Heavy cavalry armed with lances, elite, expensive)

Missile Cavalry:
Qing Crossbow Cavalry(Missile Cavalry)(mounted crossbowmen, moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)
Qing Archer Cavalry(Missile Cavalry)(mounted bowmen, weak, rather common, rather cheap)
Mongol Archer Cavalry(Missile Cavalry)(Elite mounted bowmen, unarmoured, good morale, good stamina, above moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)

Artillery:
Qing Fire Cart(Huo Jian rocket cart, moderate, rather uncommon, rather expensive)
Qing 5 Barrel Cannon(5 barrles fired simultaneously, moderate, uncommon, rather expensive)
Falconet (weak, common, rather cheap)
Demi-Culverin (above weak, common, rather cheap)
Culverin (moderate, very uncommon, expensive)
Demi-Cannon (fixed artillery, moderate, very uncommon, rather expensive)
Royal Guard Artillery(elite, very uncommon, expensive)
Iron Mortar (moderate, uncommon, rather cheap)

Navy:
Will edit later

Mercenaries:
Montagnard Hunters
Mon Swordsmen
Khmer Legendary Swords
Joseon Turtle Ships (heavily armoured, but slow, wooden ships)
Joseon Mountaineers (exceptional musketeers from Joseon who can shoot far and accurately)

It is quite large and extensive (in my opinion

)
If u want to know more about the factions in Malaysia and Indoensia during this time, simply look at our forum under "Official Faction Roster" in the Să-laa Glang (town hall) section. I hope very much that you can find some experts on Korea and Japan during this period to help you. If this mod really takes off the runway then we could talk about an even closer relation between our mod projects

-Pazu the Kitsune (Siam: Total War Mod Organizer)

**Tan Zhi Han** · August 09, 2009, 06:34 AM

I haven't updated this in a long while. I've been busy with APE:TI and other stuff. I don't really intend to make major updates on this until a time when CA allows us to create campaign mapping.
Updating all the text is really... dull and I ain't gonna do it until it's "worth my while"

Meanwhile, I have developed more land/naval units for the factions.
I have begun the process of choosing several resources of trade for regions (villages, ex: Japan - Tea Plantation, China - Jade Mine)
I have changed the map to my political map (as in I made it, I do not give anyone permission to use it, it is for my uses only - I hate the map, it will never be perfect).

About regions.

Most countries have 1 or 2 regions. China has a whopping 24. The regions listed are all historically provinces of China. (Asia > Europe in size) So I really am not sure about what people think about the size. But, China will be like the Mughal Empire in that their troops will be limited to a few regions at start, and will be vulnerable. Also, with APE:TI China will have a huge manpower disadvantage, and will have to concentrate on defense much more than offense, which was how history went.

All the white colored regions in Indonesia generally belong to either United Provinces or Spain. (I left them colorless to represent this)

I still need information about famous generals/admirals/ministers/spies/scholars.

I want to try not to make up people... So far, all information used is from researching history books, internet, and other sources.

Please tell me y'alls thoughts.

And again, this mod is to be made with APE:TI in mind since that is what I am most familiar with.

**James the Red** · August 09, 2009, 01:44 PM

Hokkaido wasn't apart of Japan at this point if I'm not mistaken, the Ainu people lived there.

And i'm not quit sure about Sakhalin belonging to the Chinese at this point either.

**shi98918** · August 09, 2009, 02:59 PM

Hey brothers, I have also done similar work, I can help you..

**Tan Zhi Han** · August 09, 2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by James the Red

Hokkaido wasn't apart of Japan at this point if I'm not mistaken, the Ainu people lived there.

And i'm not quit sure about Sakhalin belonging to the Chinese at this point either.

Thanks for the information. I will remove Sakhalin. Hokkaido was definitely under Japan's control, but the Ainu were not cooperative citizens are in history had 3 rebellions against Japan. The Ainu will be the rebels of Hokkaido, and Japan will get more regions now. Their populations deserve it.

EDIT: Although Japan never officially claimed Hokkaido until 1868.

EDIT EDIT: On further study, Sakhalin was in fact territory of China.

**Shopperkimpy** · August 10, 2009, 09:44 AM

siamese spearmen

swordmen

burmese swordmen

guard

cavalry

Suggestion unit

Ayutthaya =

Land Unit
Siamese Light Cavalry (spear)
Krom Asa Mon (mon volunteers regiment) (sword) (good stamina)
Krom Asa Lao (Laotian volunteers regiment)

naval unit
War Junk (armed chinese junk)
Kum Phun Rob (barque type warship around 10-20 cannons)

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