Salvi Divinorum legalized in USA?

[Whitey5150]

(A great suggestion of a thread by my friend Armatus.)

But do you think it should be legalized (If it already is, then should it remain that way?)
Or should be made Illegal. Bring out your opinions people.


Personally, I would have to say no because due to the research I have done (Little but still some) It can cause some serious mind altering effects. I do not believe that any drug that interferes with the brains functioning should be legalized.

But then again, that would include anti-depressants, so I can't really put my finger on it.

[Enemy of the State]

Salvia Divinorum is a sacred herb. It is sad that some teenagers use it simply to "get high". It deserves respect. People that want to ban Salvia Divinorum and other psychedelic drugs are simply afraid. They are afraid of their subconcious, they are afraid of the truth about themselves and the world. Salvia Divinorum is not fun. There is no pleasure. Quite the contrary, it's scary. A person unprepared to deal with the consequences will be punished for disrespect. But those brave and wise enough to truly understand what they see while on this magical voyage, will learn something incredible about themselves and the universe around them with every trip.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Salvia Divinorum is a sacred herb. It is sad that some teenagers use it simply to "get high". It deserves respect. People that want to ban Salvia Divinorum and other psychedelic drugs are simply afraid. They are afraid of their subconcious, they are afraid of the truth about themselves and the world. Salvia Divinorum is not fun. There is no pleasure. Quite the contrary, it's scary. A person unprepared to deal with the consequences will be punished for disrespect. But those brave and wise enough to truly understand what they see while on this magical voyage, will learn something incredible about themselves and the universe around them with every trip.

Actually they just get high and think they found the "truth", just like any other teenager. But as long as it is used in a controlled dosis there is no harm.

[Yosemite]

Salvia Divinorum is a sacred herb. It is sad that some teenagers use it simply to "get high". It deserves respect. People that want to ban Salvia Divinorum and other psychedelic drugs are simply afraid. They are afraid of their subconcious, they are afraid of the truth about themselves and the world. Salvia Divinorum is not fun. There is no pleasure. Quite the contrary, it's scary. A person unprepared to deal with the consequences will be punished for disrespect. But those brave and wise enough to truly understand what they see while on this magical voyage, will learn something incredible about themselves and the universe around them with every trip.

they are just afraid that the dumb teenagers will go too far

what you describe needs a huge institution in order to controll it's use

[Enemy of the State]

what you describe needs a huge institution in order to controll it's use

There is no need. Those who take it unprepared will never dare take it again.

[God]

It's never done me any harm.

It's very intense though and I have no sympathy for those who take huge doses and scare themselves half to death. I think it's OK if done sensibly.

[sephodwyrm]

It's legal.

[God]

... in most places.

[BNS]

It's mostly legal in the U.S. and should stay that way.

[Kiljan Arslan]

keep it legal don't stop people from doing what they like if their just trying to do what they like.

[Bovril]

It's possible that it could have some long term knock on effects on mental health or something if used a lot. But since we know for absolutely sure that alcohol can be extremely problematic for mental health and don't talk about banning that, I don't see this as a strong argument. This point also applies in the cannabis debate. Psychosic caused by alcohol use is just as problematic as that assosiated with cannabis use and depression moreso.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

it tastes weird.

[Monarchist]

Ban alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, heroine, and salvia. I simply don't care about 'the truth', 'subconscious', and exploring the universe of my mind. I'd prefer to see the truth that is already evident in the beauty of Earth, the stars, and all our immense human achievements. Do you really need a drug to experience the perfection that is our universe? It annoys me that people think they do!

Bah! to your precious drug freedom.

[Whitey5150]

Ban alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, heroine, and salvia. I simply don't care about 'the truth', 'subconscious', and exploring the universe of my mind. I'd prefer to see the truth that is already evident in the beauty of Earth, the stars, and all our immense human achievements. Do you really need a drug to experience the perfection that is our universe? It annoys me that people think they do!

Bah! to your precious drug freedom.

Bravo.

[Enemy of the State]

Ban alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, heroine, and salvia.

To put a drug like Salvia in the same group as alcohol, cocaine and heroin is incredibly wrong. Those drugs take you down, they stop you from facing reality. Salvia however, brings you up to a higher level of perception.

I simply don't care about 'the truth', 'subconscious', and exploring the universe of my mind. I'd prefer to see the truth that is already evident in the beauty of Earth, the stars, and all our immense human achievements. Do you really need a drug to experience the perfection that is our universe? It annoys me that people think they do!

We humans are restricted by our underdeveloped senses. Psychedelic drugs are but one way to free ones mind, to enhance our perception so we can truly appreciate the wonderful world around us.
You do not need a drug to reach enlightenment, there are many ways to achieve it. Psychedelic drugs themselves do not produce the transcendent experience. It is merely a chemical key.

[The Dude]

Ban alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, heroine, and salvia. I simply don't care about 'the truth', 'subconscious', and exploring the universe of my mind. I'd prefer to see the truth that is already evident in the beauty of Earth, the stars, and all our immense human achievements. Do you really need a drug to experience the perfection that is our universe? It annoys me that people think they do!

Bah! to your precious drug freedom.

Our universe is an infinitely expanding mass of coldness and emptiness, devoid of energy and substance in most regions and nothing but a desolate nothingness inbetween galaxies. The only thing that's beautiful about our universe is our planet and other planets like it, which even ignores all the utter failures of planets that can harbor no life and sustain no ecosystem. Dead stars, wormholes and distances so big that they're virtually impossible for human beings to traverse are what make up our universe.

There's nothing perfect about it.

[Siblesz]

Ban alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, heroine, and salvia. I simply don't care about 'the truth', 'subconscious', and exploring the universe of my mind. I'd prefer to see the truth that is already evident in the beauty of Earth, the stars, and all our immense human achievements. Do you really need a drug to experience the perfection that is our universe? It annoys me that people think they do!

Bah! to your precious drug freedom.

Hehe... if you were made dictator, most of our art, or human achievements, as you put it, would stop being made. Truth is, without drugs, many people wouldn't express themselves as they'd like. There are exceptions to this... there have always been men who have incredible ability without the use of drugs. But in the end, not all of humans have such beautiful qualities without first taking drugs. Drugs are an artist's or an intellectual's best friend. And depends which drugs, of course. But you wouldn't know that, since you come from such an extremist, block-headed world.

In the universe, in those hubble space photos which you mentioned, there are no boundaries. Everything is possible. The universe is an eternal manifestation of the all. Our world is a representation, although small and limited, of that same universe. In this world you will find anything and any kind of person you'd imagine. Why try to control that? Why have judgment? We're not in any control over anything... we only think we are in control. It is inherently an immense mistake of the ego to think that individuals have power over how the universe manifests itself. And yet you find that kind of ridiculous selfishness in most people of this planet. It's a pity human nature is so base. Then again, without it, there'd be no conflict of interests, and that's what makes our planet so interesting to live in.

Our universe is an infinitely expanding mass of coldness and emptiness, devoid of energy and substance in most regions and nothing but a desolate nothingness inbetween galaxies. The only thing that's beautiful about our universe is our planet and other planets like it, which even ignores all the utter failures of planets that can harbor no life and sustain no ecosystem. Dead stars, wormholes and distances so big that they're virtually impossible for human beings to traverse are what make up our universe.

There's nothing perfect about it.

You must have chaos to have order. It is perfect. Just not Disney World perfect. To think that we're even alive in a floating space object that rotates around some plasma ball... that is perfection.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Our universe is perfect?

[Chaigidel]

yes it is.

salvia has more cause to be illegal than cannabis.

[Monarchist]

yes it is.

I think it is quite obvious that the universe is perfect when I look at the sun over green fields, when I observe the Hubble pictures of distant space that we will never truly experience, and when I drink pure water. Even if Communists steal our life essence with their fluoride-laced water supply and secretly are the force behind my love of the universe and our world, at least it is involuntary on my part.

My problem with the drug legalization debate is that it is a big circle. If we ban drugs, they will not go away - people love to do them so much that illegal cartels spring up to bring them in and out of countries. The black market is not compelled to quit the business of selling drugs which the law prohibits, because black markets already break the law by definition. What's more, I believe in freedom of the body and mind, yet I also have a virulent hatred for all 'recreational' drugs such as heroine, cocaine, cannabis, alcohol, etc. This is a moral conundrum, because if you hate what drugs do to the mind and illegalize them, people will do them anyway. There is no way that good puritanical values can be imposed on anybody, as they will simply circumvent the law to get drugs. At this point you'd need... some sort of... "War on Drugs", or something.

It is an annoying subject, for we must keep our individual morals, but must betray them constantly by human nature. The universe is still beautiful, though.