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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    Hey all,

    Newest setup; all good factions are allied and/or share military access.
    same for evil factions.

    Code:
    faction_relationships     england, at_war_with     slave, sicily, mongols
    faction_relationships     england, allied_with     france, hre, spain, venice            
    
    faction_relationships     france, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     france, allied_with     hre, spain, venice            
    faction_relationships     france, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     hre, at_war_with     slave, moors, mongols, egypt
    faction_relationships     hre, allied_with     france, spain, venice            
    faction_relationships     hre, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     spain, at_war_with     slave, sicily
    faction_relationships     spain, allied_with     france, hre, venice
    faction_relationships     spain, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     venice, at_war_with     slave, scotland
    faction_relationships     venice, allied_with     france, hre, spain, 
    faction_relationships     venice, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     sicily, at_war_with     slave, england, spain
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     milan, scotland, moors, turks, egypt, mongols
    
    faction_relationships     milan, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     scotland, moors, turks, egypt, mongols
    faction_relationships     milan, protectorate_of    sicily
    
    faction_relationships     scotland, at_war_with     slave, venice
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     sicily, milan, moors, turks, egypt, mongols
    
    faction_relationships     moors, at_war_with     slave, hre
    faction_relationships     moors, allied_with     scotland, turks, egypt, mongols
    faction_relationships     moors, protectorate_of    sicily, milan
    
    faction_relationships     turks, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     turks, allied_with     scotland, egypt, mongols
    faction_relationships     turks, protectorate_of    sicily, milan, moors
    
    faction_relationships     egypt, at_war_with     slave, hre
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     milan, scotland, moors, turks, mongols
    faction_relationships     egypt, protectorate_of    sicily, turks
    
    faction_relationships     mongols, at_war_with     slave, hre, england
    faction_relationships     mongols, allied_with     scotland, moors, turks, egypt
    faction_relationships     mongols, protectorate_of    sicily, milan
    
    
    ;;;;;sicily, milan, scotland, moors, turks, egypt, mongols    ; GONDOR, ROHAN, DALE, DWARVES, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES
    ;;;;;england, france, hre, spain, venice            ; MORDOR, ISENGARD, ORCS MM, HARAD, EASTERLINGS
    Can someone please check this and report - i cannot test this until tonight (approx 8 hours)..

    This is the laymen description;
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    MORDOR, at_war_with slave, GONDOR, SILVAN ELVES
    MORDOR, allied_with ISENGARD, ORCS MM, HARAD, EASTERLINGS

    ISENGARD, at_war_with slave
    ISENGARD, allied_with ORCS MM, HARAD, EASTERLINGS
    ISENGARD, military access MORDOR

    ORCS MM, at_war_with slave, DWARVES, SILVAN ELVES, HIGH ELVES
    ORCS MM, allied_with ISENGARD, HARAD, EASTERLINGS
    ORCS MM, military access MORDOR

    HARAD, at_war_with slave, GONDOR
    HARAD, allied_with ISENGARD, ORCS MM, EASTERLINGS
    HARAD, military access MORDOR

    EASTERLINGS, at_war_with slave, DALE
    EASTERLINGS, allied_with ISENGARD, ORCS MM, HARAD,
    EASTERLINGS, military access MORDOR

    GONDOR, at_war_with slave, MORDOR, HARAD
    GONDOR, allied_with ROHAN, DALE, DWARVES, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES

    ROHAN, at_war_with slave
    ROHAN, allied_with DALE, DWARVES, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES
    ROHAN, military access GONDOR

    DALE, at_war_with slave, EASTERLINGS
    DALE, allied_with GONDOR, ROHAN, DWARVES, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES

    DWARVES, at_war_with slave, ORCS MM
    DWARVES, allied_with DALE, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES
    DWARVES, military access GONDOR, ROHAN

    ERIADOR, at_war_with slave
    ERIADOR, allied_with DALE, HIGH ELVES, SILVAN ELVES
    ERIADOR, military access GONDOR, ROHAN, DWARVES

    HIGH ELVES, at_war_with slave, ORCS MM
    HIGH ELVES, allied_with ROHAN, DALE, DWARVES, ERIADOR, SILVAN ELVES
    HIGH ELVES, military access GONDOR, ERIADOR

    SILVAN ELVES, at_war_with slave, ORCS MM, MORDOR
    SILVAN ELVES, allied_with DALE, DWARVES, ERIADOR, HIGH ELVES
    SILVAN ELVES, military access GONDOR, ROHAN

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    silly question; did you delete map.rwm?

    If you did, i am dumbfounded as to why this is not working (maybe too many allies!..) i'll try it a different way. give me a moment to get the code.

    THANK YOU FOR TESTING +REP

    EDIT: Below is the same setup just expanded the code - Can someone test this one please?

    Code:
    faction_relationships     england, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     england, at_war_with     sicily
    faction_relationships     england, at_war_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     england, allied_with     france           
    faction_relationships     england, allied_with     hre            
    faction_relationships     england, allied_with     spain           
    faction_relationships     england, allied_with     venice            
    
    faction_relationships     france, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     france, allied_with     hre
    faction_relationships     france, allied_with     spain
    faction_relationships     france, allied_with     venice            
    faction_relationships     france, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     hre, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     hre, at_war_with     moors
    faction_relationships     hre, at_war_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     hre, at_war_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     hre, allied_with     venice
    faction_relationships     hre, allied_with     france
    faction_relationships     hre, allied_with     spain
    faction_relationships     hre, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     spain, at_war_with     sicily
    faction_relationships     spain, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     spain, allied_with     venice
    faction_relationships     spain, allied_with     hre
    faction_relationships     spain, allied_with     france
    faction_relationships     spain, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     venice, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     venice, at_war_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     venice, allied_with     spain
    faction_relationships     venice, allied_with     hre
    faction_relationships     venice, allied_with     france 
    faction_relationships     venice, protectorate_of    england
    
    faction_relationships     sicily, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     sicily, at_war_with     england
    faction_relationships     sicily, at_war_with     spain
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     milan
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     moors
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     sicily, allied_with     mongols
    
    faction_relationships     milan, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     moors
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     milan, allied_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     milan, protectorate_of    sicily
    
    faction_relationships     scotland, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     scotland, at_war_with     venice
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     sicily
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     milan
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     moors
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     scotland, allied_with     mongols
    
    faction_relationships     moors, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     moors, at_war_with     hre
    faction_relationships     moors, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     moors, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     moors, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     moors, allied_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     moors, protectorate_of    sicily
    faction_relationships     moors, protectorate_of    milan
    
    faction_relationships     turks, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     turks, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     turks, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     turks, allied_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     turks, protectorate_of    sicily
    faction_relationships     turks, protectorate_of    milan
    faction_relationships     turks, protectorate_of    moors
    
    faction_relationships     egypt, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     egypt, at_war_with     hre
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     milan
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     moors
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     egypt, allied_with     mongols
    faction_relationships     egypt, protectorate_of    sicily
    faction_relationships     egypt, protectorate_of    turks
    
    faction_relationships     mongols, at_war_with     slave
    faction_relationships     mongols, at_war_with     hre
    faction_relationships     mongols, at_war_with     england
    faction_relationships     mongols, allied_with     scotland
    faction_relationships     mongols, allied_with     moors
    faction_relationships     mongols, allied_with     turks
    faction_relationships     mongols, allied_with     egypt
    faction_relationships     mongols, protectorate_of    sicily
    faction_relationships     mongols, protectorate_of    milan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaon View Post
    awesome - can i get more feedback? how do the factions act over time?
    Ok I'm at turn 50 as Gondor (VH/VH) - no Good factions have declared war on other good faction (or evil on evil). So High Elves have not attacked Eriador. Eriador has gone to war with Isenguard recently however. Also I have not seen anyone break an alliance yet.

    I am really enjoying this campaign (I have RC installed and a few others minor mods as well). Well done and keep up the good work.
    +rep

    EDIT: BTW I am using your starting alliances tweak as well.

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    Great! as intended finally

    are the allies active? are they doing anything once they conquer the rebels? do they support allies in the battle front lines?

    with my original files this happened but reports from others make me wonder..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaon View Post
    Great! as intended finally

    are the allies active? are they doing anything once they conquer the rebels? do they support allies in the battle front lines?

    with my original files this happened but reports from others make me wonder..
    Everyone is still alive. Isenguard may be destroyed soon however their regions are all split up but they still have a few stacks running around.
    I haven't notice AI factions helping each other in battle - but I don't see much of them. They are too busy fighting Isenguard/OotMM/Rhun. And I'm too busy fighting Mordor/Harad

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    Have you noticed any military access rights and/or trading agreements you had at game start with your allies without needing to negotiate for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaon View Post
    Have you noticed any military access rights and/or trading agreements you had at game start with your allies without needing to negotiate for them?
    Yes I have noticed those. I think I have an old version of your mod though. Off the top of my head I was allied to Rohan, Eriador and High Elves at the game start with trade rights and military access. I did try to ally with the Silvan elves but they were snobs
    Come to think of it I think I saw Eriador helping Rohan against Isenguard Eriador was going through Rohan's territory and attacking Isenguard.

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    i have never added or removed the at war factions from the way TA:TW team had them. this mod has only ever changed faction alliances..

    @Tharros,
    can you confirm one way or the other?
    Last edited by Archaon; May 04, 2009 at 04:51 AM.

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    IMPORTANT UPDATE

    It was the formatting that prevented some of the settings from working.
    People using the code directly from the forum need to edit it a bit, changing the tab's for a single space, ect.

    The file i uploaded in the first post will work 100%.

    All factions who are meant to have trading rights, military access, alliance, war, neutral, are now working completely as intended.

    Unless i have received reports that there are still error's i consider this mod finished.
    Enjoy!

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    Quote Originally Posted by Archaon View Post
    IMPORTANT UPDATE
    now working completely as intended.
    Unless i have received reports that there are still error's i consider this mod finished.
    Enjoy!
    That's good , I find no error this time (for now..). I will clean my other posts, to have the thread more readable.
    Last edited by Vifarc; May 04, 2009 at 07:19 AM.

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    While I think it is a good idea to make alliances more stable, I don't know how I feel about military access. Rohan was objectionable to the idea of Gondor armies in thier lands, despite the threat. But then again, it depends on if these modifications will promt ai armies to move up and attack the closest enemy army even if it is in your territory, thereby assisting you in battle such as in the later movies where the elves helped at Helmsdeep and Rohan at Minas Tireth.

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    Default Re: Diplomacy Mod - Keep Alliances!

    Er, did you use my strat file as a base? Just asking because all the reputation values are the same... I don't mind if you did but could I get credit? Or is it just an eery coincidence..


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