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    The current international efforts against piracy are not working- this much is clear. Capturing pirates and imprisoning them, even delivering the death sentence, is obviously not a deterrent when they are willing to endanger their lives in rough seas for months at a time. There have already been many reports of them dying in this way, and I'm sure Somalians are well aware of this too. Where one is captured, two more will replace them.

    Therefore the only way that we can prevent piracy continuing is going to the root of the problem- something that democratic governments are unwilling to do, because it doesn't give the satisfaction of a knee-jerk reaction that the voting public so often craves. This interview is interesting because it tells us exactly where it is- the illegal destruction of Somalian fish stocks and marine habitats by foreign trawlers, and the instability of the Somalian government which not only allows this to happen, but further increases the poverty of fisherman.

    It's obvious that many people who have already taken up piracy will not want to just go back to fishing, even if foreigners stop destroying their livelihoods- it pays better, and fish stocks / marine habitats are not going to improve overnight. These people will of course still need to be captured, or heavily dissuaded using force. But preventing future generations of Somalians becoming pirates is vital in removing the threat completely. This means stopping illegal fishing and trawlers from destroying the coral reefs, and helping to stabalise the Somalian government.

    Years ago we used to fish a lot, enough for us to eat and sell in the markets. Then illegal fishing and dumping of toxic wastes by foreign fishing vessels affected our livelihood, depleting the fish stocks. I had no other choice but to join my colleagues.
    So it is no surprise to see us in the same water, pirating in search of money - there is no difference. We have local support; most of the people here depend on pirates directly or indirectly. Because if there is a lot of money in the town they can get some through friendship, relatives or business. Also our work is seen by many in the coastal villages as legal and we are viewed as heroes. The only way the piracy can stop is if [Somalia] gets an effective government that can defend our fish. And then we will disarm, give our boats to that government and will be ready to work.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8010061.stm
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    They are pirating because they are having fishing problems?? I would like to say it BS. They only was to deal with pirates is the old fashion way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    They are pirating because they are having fishing problems?? I would like to say it BS. They only was to deal with pirates is the old fashion way.

    Removing them from the face of the Earth
    they are pirating because they can't make a living any other way because of the fish grounds being depleted.

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    they are pirating because they can't make a living any other way because of the fish grounds being depleted.
    Yet, if we "give" them back their fishing grounds are they going to stop? I do not believe so. Also they are pirates! They are at the same level as terrorists. On the same ground as shoot first then ask questions later.

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    Piracy should be so dangerous, that pirates rather starve then attack other ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luger View Post
    Piracy should be so dangerous, that pirates rather starve then attack other ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    Yet, if we "give" them back their fishing grounds are they going to stop? I do not believe so. Also they are pirates! They are at the same level as terrorists. On the same ground as shoot first then ask questions later.
    I guess I was expecting too much in the form of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Oh well, I tried.


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    LMAO
    has anyone seen the south park episode on piracy?
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    Yet, if we "give" them back their fishing grounds are they going to stop? I do not believe so. Also they are pirates! They are at the same level as terrorists. On the same ground as shoot first then ask questions later.
    Pirates are not on the same level as terrorists; let's not be silly here.

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    I don't believe over fishing in waters is the main cause of their piracy. The main cause of piracy is NO central government in Somalia. The local war loads are looking at new ways to make money. It it was truly for fishing. Why does rest of the pirates say it was because of fish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    I don't believe over fishing in waters is the main cause of their piracy. The main cause of piracy is NO central government in Somalia. The local war loads are looking at new ways to make money.
    Local war loads? I'm guessing you mean warlords. Here's another article that describes what has been happening off the Coast of Somalia after it's collapse, I've quoted the part that specifically deals with how the first 'pirates' arose.

    In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas. Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."
    At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."
    This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann..._b_155147.html

    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    It it was truly for fishing. Why does rest of the pirates say it was because of fish?
    Before I reply too cynically, I'd just like to ask if English is your first language?
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    Nuke them they seems to be waste of space.

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    Carpet bomb there ports...
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    ok, let's all stop the 'let's all massacre them' mentality hmmm?
    somalia's new weka gov. needs a powerful backer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    ok, let's all stop the 'let's all massacre them' mentality hmmm?
    somalia's new weka gov. needs a powerful backer
    Which one?
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    Puntland has the most Pirates, but Somaliland is stable and wuite democratic and want to be recognised.
    Puntland wanted to join the south once it was more stable but a large part of the south (the 'good' part is in blue too) is taken over by islamists...
    The union of Islamic courts is in blue but it should be green IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    Which one?
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    Puntland has the most Pirates, but Somaliland is stable and wuite democratic and want to be recognised.
    Puntland wanted to join the south once it was more stable but a large part of the south (the 'good' part is in blue too) is taken over by islamists...
    The union of Islamic courts is in blue but it should be green IMO.
    i'm talking about a powerful and rich superpower benefactor
    like the EU

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