My Ten Points :]

[Tsideshow]

Heya guys!
I'm new here, and I've had a couple of hours to mess around in your version of the game.
First of all, allow me to congratulate you for the amazing work that you've done!

Secondly, I have some questions to ask you:

1. Why did you choose to make "The House of Joffery" a seperate house?
Wouldn't it be much better to simply make it a part of house Lannister?

2. About the some of the houses' names, I don't think that it's correct to call them "The House of Joffery", "The House of Stannis" And "The House of Renly"...
About the first I've already commented in the last question, the second and the third houses would be much better in my opinion under the names: "House Baratheon of Dragonstone" and "House Baratheon of the Storm Lands", what do you think?

3. I think you should put some work on changing the victory objectives, especily as at the moment, claiming the/a crown doesn't -really- change anything, it only adds minor differences to your victory objective.

4. I would lower the chances of randomly finding a bride - atleast for faction leaders and heirs if that possible, and make it so they would have to marry them to daughters of the other major houses.

5. Also, I would change the fact that you can't really improve your cities by constructing buildings in them.
While yes, you can construct minor buildings, usually you can't make -real- improvments to them.

6. I would add more units, a whole bunch of them that require buildings not already built upon begining.

7. I think that merceneries would add something from ther books to the game that it's obviously lacking at the moment - I would very much like my Tyrion to be able to gather a host of merceneries and barbarians :]

8. What about adding a few more houses? I think that a house like Frey (Perhaps instead of the house of Joffery if you choose to remove it) would be a nice add.

9. I think that removing the plague completly, or atleast lowering it's chances to almost zero would be more correct - this is not Europe!

10. Another thing that I don't completly like, is the "You may pay 2000 gold to host a tourny" and the "You may pay 2000 gold to send men to the wall" that you've implented, while the idea is good, the first doesn't seem to have any difference in case you've held the tourny or not, and the second... well, I think that the Wall and the King Beyond the Wall deserve better representation than that!

Well, these were my ten points - what do you think guys?
~Tal ^-^

[Darkstar]

Good suggestions and the team will take them into consideration. I can't speak to past decisions since I just recently joined the team but I can confirm that several of your suggestions are planned for future versions.

[daddytorgo]

Good suggestions. Some of them mirror things we've talked about lately.

[stormbringer951]

Heya guys!
1. Why did you choose to make "The House of Joffery" a seperate house?
Wouldn't it be much better to simply make it a part of house Lannister?

2. About the some of the houses' names, I don't think that it's correct to call them "The House of Joffery", "The House of Stannis" And "The House of Renly"...
About the first I've already commented in the last question, the second and the third houses would be much better in my opinion under the names: "House Baratheon of Dragonstone" and "House Baratheon of the Storm Lands", what do you think?

3. I think you should put some work on changing the victory objectives, especily as at the moment, claiming the/a crown doesn't -really- change anything, it only adds minor differences to your victory objective.

4. I would lower the chances of randomly finding a bride - atleast for faction leaders and heirs if that possible, and make it so they would have to marry them to daughters of the other major houses.

5. Also, I would change the fact that you can't really improve your cities by constructing buildings in them.
While yes, you can construct minor buildings, usually you can't make -real- improvments to them.

6. I would add more units, a whole bunch of them that require buildings not already built upon begining.

7. I think that merceneries would add something from ther books to the game that it's obviously lacking at the moment - I would very much like my Tyrion to be able to gather a host of merceneries and barbarians :]

8. What about adding a few more houses? I think that a house like Frey (Perhaps instead of the house of Joffery if you choose to remove it) would be a nice add.

9. I think that removing the plague completly, or atleast lowering it's chances to almost zero would be more correct - this is not Europe!

10. Another thing that I don't completly like, is the "You may pay 2000 gold to host a tourny" and the "You may pay 2000 gold to send men to the wall" that you've implented, while the idea is good, the first doesn't seem to have any difference in case you've held the tourny or not, and the second... well, I think that the Wall and the King Beyond the Wall deserve better representation than that!

Well, these were my ten points - what do you think guys?
~Tal ^-^

1. Joffrey acted independently in the war of the five kings. He wasn't under Tywin's command.

2. I'd voted for that under Gampie.

3. Victory conditions are not complete. Still wip.

4. Daughters of big houses will need to be added in if possible. If princesses are the only possible, too bad.

5. We're lowering the mod timeframe at some point. Originally using one of GED's scripts for it (he left it around somewhere)

6. Beginning armies are not yet placed.

7. Mercenaries are wip now.

8. More houses => more work. We don't have a massive amount of manpower, and new factions will be added after 1.0 is out the door.

9. I think we're going to slow pop growth at some point, which will help slow that problem.

10. Wall is a problem for post-1.0 IMO.

[Orko]

Joffrey should have his own faction, and you can make some wildling invasion if possible. You know, like the mongols and stuff coming from the north.

[DrNikola2006]

My '1' point is that the Iron Isles faction has too many generals, and House Renly has nowhere near enough. It's been a while, but Renly did have a couple of people working under him who, for the purposes of this iteration, could be promoted to general; while the Iron Isles can't support the dozen or so generals they have. Perhaps a script could be made that new generals 'join the fray' as the SeaKing gains in power and territory? Or maybe the upkeep should be lowered.

[hemeroc]

hey there

glad to see that this mod isnt abandoned as i thought it was

i didnt want to open a new thread so ill just post my suggestions in this thread, i hope you dont mind.


1)
couldnt it be possible to add the major houses to the family trees? it just seems quite silly for me, tha tzhe greatjon bolton and the other northern lords just die off, and some of robbs , brandons or rickons spawns get their castles

i got this idea from another mod, where they just added some dead ancestors, so that there are enough branches for all the major lords.

2)
when i took over the twins, it said that they were english rebels

3)
movement speed is a bit low in my opinion, it does not take me a whole year to move to the twins from moat callin

4)
the battle ai is not really satisfyng, i stopped playing, because i was so angry that my knights were too stupid to charge properly overall all the units on battlefield sometimes act a bit stupid

5)
when i played tully, iw as able to marry off the blackfish, but he does not appear in my family tree(nor did his children) where can i find him?

[Darkstar]

hey there

glad to see that this mod isnt abandoned as i thought it was

i didnt want to open a new thread so ill just post my suggestions in this thread, i hope you dont mind.


1)
couldnt it be possible to add the major houses to the family trees? it just seems quite silly for me, tha tzhe greatjon bolton and the other northern lords just die off, and some of robbs , brandons or rickons spawns get their castles

i got this idea from another mod, where they just added some dead ancestors, so that there are enough branches for all the major lords.

2)
when i took over the twins, it said that they were english rebels

3)
movement speed is a bit low in my opinion, it does not take me a whole year to move to the twins from moat callin

4)
the battle ai is not really satisfyng, i stopped playing, because i was so angry that my knights were too stupid to charge properly overall all the units on battlefield sometimes act a bit stupid

5)
when i played tully, iw as able to marry off the blackfish, but he does not appear in my family tree(nor did his children) where can i find him?

Just to clarify, are these comments from playing v0.51 or v0.53?

1) Link to this mod? I'd be interested in seeing what they did.

2) Rebels haven't been fully implemented yet.

3) Will discuss this with the team.

4) Is this with v0.51 or v0.53? We are using a new AI in v0.53.

5) He is a general but set to the faction heir because Edmure obviously doesn't have an heir. I'm going to explore possibly adding the Blackfish to the family tree though (not sure it's possible) and possibly giving him a dead wife to ensure he doesn't get married.

[aduellist]

Just to clarify, are these comments from playing v0.51 or v0.53?

1) Link to this mod? I'd be interested in seeing what they did.

See GED's excellent article on advanced family trees.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187293

It's pretty straightforward to add a previous generation that allows for different branches of the starting ruling families. Here's a couple I coded for DotS a while back. Not sure they'll be in the finished product, since they have better researchers and coders than me. Not sure if this fits the model of adding different Great Houses, but it's an option.

[Darkstar]

See GED's excellent article on advanced family trees.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187293

It's pretty straightforward to add a previous generation that allows for different branches of the starting ruling families. Here's a couple I coded for DotS a while back. Not sure they'll be in the finished product, since they have better researchers and coders than me. Not sure if this fits the model of adding different Great Houses, but it's an option.

I was able to add Brynden Tully to the family tree and make him faction heir (although I don't know Hoster and Brynden's parents names) but I'm not sure this will work for having multiple houses on the same family tree unless I make a Lord's bannermen appear as children. But then what happens when that Lord dies? I want to avoid a situation where, for example, somebody like the Greatjon becomes faction leader over Bran Stark.

[hemeroc]

Just to clarify, are these comments from playing v0.51 or v0.53?

1) Link to this mod? I'd be interested in seeing what they did.

iam quite sure that the last version i played was still a tw mod, not compatible for kingdoms




sadly i do not remember what the mods name was, as i played this some long time ago - but i was thinking, that the best solution for having the major houses attached to the family tree is:

first line dead parents, who have 4 children. those 4 children then should start the branches for the noble houses - on the left side house stark, so the succesion of winterfell always go to a stark offspring.

then the other 3 branches for example to the greatjon( already with children, i only know about the littlejon, but iam fairly sure he has some other children too, even though they havent been mentioned by name). karstark with his 3 sons and glover(has some children too i believe) for deepwood motte.

ofc there are more hpuses in the north, so there need to be more than 4 branches to be created

their parents should of course be dead from the beginning, so that they dont get some extra children.

it is of course a problem, if too many starks die off at the beginning and one of the 2nd branche gets faction heir - then you just have to take care of robb, bran and rickon in the beginnning^^.

then of course the houses get the titles from their castles - lord of karhold, last hearth, deepwood motte and so on. the kingdoms mod(hosted on this site) "heiliges römisches reich" has presented a preview for v0.8 where titles are hereditary and always pass on to the lords sons - and if there are no heirs are avaiable, it is up to the player to reassign a new heir.

here is the link

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=223878

the is another link for a v0.8 , havent read it but it says something about how they want to manage a better succesion:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=243449

[stormbringer951]

1) See above post about GED

2) Rebels are not implemented

3) We will probably change to months...

4) Battle AI is changing (to Condottiere's Freedom AI afaik)

5) He appears as a general (not a proper family member)

[Darkstar]

My '1' point is that the Iron Isles faction has too many generals, and House Renly has nowhere near enough. It's been a while, but Renly did have a couple of people working under him who, for the purposes of this iteration, could be promoted to general; while the Iron Isles can't support the dozen or so generals they have. Perhaps a script could be made that new generals 'join the fray' as the SeaKing gains in power and territory? Or maybe the upkeep should be lowered.

Balancing the starting rosters and generals is on our "To Do List" for version 1.0 so we'll definitely be taking a look at this.

[stormbringer951]

When starting armies are placed, things will be better for faction balance.

[Orko]

The Boltons should be a faction of their own. Perhaps starting as vassals of the Starks?

[Darkstar]

The Boltons should be a faction of their own. Perhaps starting as vassals of the Starks?

See the discussion above regarding vassals and why it won't work. I'm on the fence in terms of adding the Boltons. I see both sides of the argument.

[stormbringer951]

I'd say don't add them then. Less work.

[penguinking]

Will religion be in 1.0?

[Orko]

Will religion be in 1.0?

I hope so.

[Darkstar]

Will religion be in 1.0?

Yes, it's on the to do list for v1.0. Any suggestions on how to implement it?

Personally I don't see religion as a huge source of conflict or influence in Westeros with the exception of Stannis/Melisandre.

The religions will probably be:

{catholic}Faith
{heretic}Deviants
{islam}Lord of Light
{orthodox}Old Gods
{pagan}Drowned God