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    The Russian government appears to believe that these neo-Nazis pose a serious threat to the country...

    http://www.eesti.ca/?op=article&articleid=23075

    VIENNA, March 12 – For the first time ever, the Russian government has explicitly acknowledged a danger many Moscow and international human rights organizations have pointed to for a long time: neo-Nazi youth groups are “one of the major terrorist threats” to the Russian Federation.

    The acknowledgement came yesterday when the National Anti-Terrorist Committee (NAK) put out a press release about the results Russian security and force structures achieved during 2008, a report that suggested that in many areas Moscow was continuing to make progress against the terrorist threat (www.mk.ru/blogs/MK/2009/03/12/...

    While the NAK said that the Russian agencies had prevented numerous attacks and had reduced the activities of terrorist “band formations” in the North Caucasus, the committee said that there had been an activation of “neo-Nazi youth groups, which have adopted the tactic of force in their extremist actions.”

    The interior ministry, which is represented on the NAK, said that the number of participants in various radical movements had now reached 200,000 – significantly more than most human rights groups have claimed – and that approximately 10,000 people are facing charges of extremist crimes.

    According to “Moskovsky komsomolets” journalist Dmitry Popov, the authorities have taken this step not only because neo-fascist skinheads have shifted from ordinary crimes to the use of explosives but also because “representatives of the powers that be have begun to receive threats from the nationalists.”

    The government’s admissions on this point are certain to generate a large number of commentaries and to spark fears among many ordinary Russians as to the direction their country and its government are now taking, possibly leading some of them to volunteer for the new “self-defense” groups Moscow wants to organize or to arm themselves in the name of self-defense.

    One of the first comments on the NAK report came last night on Ekho Moskvy radio. Sergey Sokolov, the chief editor of the independent Moscow newspaper “Novaya gazeta,” said that the government’s acknowledgement was “entirely justified but also extremely late in coming” (www.echo.msk.ru/news/578003-ec...

    Had the Russian authorities acknowledged this problem several years ago rather than denying it with formulas like “the country that defeated fascism cannot give rise to fascist groups,” he continued, it might have been possible to deal with this problem more easily than responding to this threat now will be.

    But there is an even more serious issue involved, Sokolov said, one that the NAK report does not address: “who and how are these neo-Nazi groups being protected, who is using them for their own political and other goals? These people represent a greater danger than the neo-Nazis they are using.”

    Consequently, while one can only welcome the decision of the NAK to acknowledge the problem at long last, the editor said, Russians need to ask whether the government will be able to respond effectively given the way in which the powers that be have played with this issue in various ways up to now.

    That Moscow might not be able to counter this threat now even if the leadership wants to was suggested in a commentary by a Russian nationalist group about a February 26 discussion at the interior ministry in which senior officials called for using the harshest measures against anti-government protests (www.anvictory.org/index.php?na...

    According to analysts of the self-proclaimed Academy of National Victory (ANV), senior interior ministry, OMON, and other agencies called for the use of the harshest measures to crush any opposition in the streets, a reaction the ANV analysts said reflected their concerns about what had happened in Vladivostok a month earlier.

    In order to rein in demonstrations against Vladimir Putin’s increase in import duties on foreign cars, Moscow had to dispatch interior ministry units from around the country because the local interior forces either refused to take action or because the central authorities were afraid that they might join the protesters if they were ordered to crush them.

    As the ANV put it, “shooting at the people in fact is not so simple even for big money.” The general may believe otherwise, but they “they will not be shooting at the people; they will be sitting out [any such situation] in their offices.” And those who will be ordered to do so many be less willing to act given the regime’s unwillingness to defend those who serve its interests.

    That last comment is a reference to Moscow’s decision to bring charges against officers like Arakcheyev and Budanov for crimes committed in Chechnya, charges that has outraged many Russians and beyond any doubt have raised questions in the minds of some about the risk they could run if they followed orders to shoot opponents of the regime.
    What do you think would happen now?

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    I smell bull****!
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    Almost as funny as Israeli skinheads.

    But seriously, this is a problem, but there's no way to really deal with it unless you restrict liberties like the Germans did.

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    Any Russian who's a skinhead is a head, they're basically spitting on their grandparents graves.
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    If you're looking for the irrefutable proof of mankind's infinite stupidity, look no further than Russian neo-Nazis and Israeli skinheads...

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    I'd describe radical movements as "used condoms": when Kremlin feels no need for them, throw 'em away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    If you're looking for the irrefutable proof of mankind's infinite stupidity, look no further than Russian neo-Nazis and Israeli skinheads...
    Some American evangelists are trying very hard to enter the realm of infinite stupidty.
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    What exactly is so shocking about the existence of extreme nativists in Russia? Most countries have them! They may be inspired by Nazi-ism but what it boils down to is the idea of "Russia for the Russians" which certainly doesn't require all too much inspiration from anyone.

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    A Russian Neo-Nazi is a fool, a damned fool, they're practically spitting & flipping the bird at their grandparents' graves - same deal with the tarded Israeli Neo-Nazis, those are two words that should never have been used in the same sentence

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    Yeah, I've always found it extremely hard to understand how so many Russians could be neo-Nazis when they're ancestors fought and died bravely by the millions against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Yeah, I've always found it extremely hard to understand how so many Russians could be neo-Nazis when they're ancestors fought and died bravely by the millions against them.
    The same way as skinhead movement first appeared in England after WW2 (I could be all wrong about but I recall this was the case).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragabash View Post
    The same way as skinhead movement first appeared in England after WW2.
    It is not a paradox, because first skinheads weren't racists or right-wingers, but just working-class youths. Even today most skinheads are apolitical, I believe. But there are extremists, of course, from the right, and from the left (yes, there are skinheads, who are communists).

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Yeah, I've always found it extremely hard to understand how so many Russians could be neo-Nazis when they're ancestors fought and died bravely by the millions against them.
    Well, it is not only a Russian issue:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_National_Front

    Look at the members list

    Oh, in Russia there is some cell of British Combat 18

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    those so called neo nazis are mostly racists, "Russia for Russians, I hate Caucasians, etc"

    What those ignore that most dirty low paid jobs are filled by caucasians and other nonrussians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corpse helvetica View Post
    those so called neo nazis are mostly racists, "Russia for Russians, I hate Caucasians, etc"

    What those ignore that most dirty low paid jobs are filled by caucasians and other nonrussians.
    Hmm, I'd say mostly central asians. Caucasians tend to be more in business and such. But that's generalising.

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    So... the BNP is moving to Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    So... the BNP is moving to Russia?
    So long as it keeps 'em out of Britain I'll be happy.

    I read an article about this in the paper a while back (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/08/russia-race) and it seems they get around the utter stupidity of being Russian nationalists and simultaneously worshiping the guy who invaded Russia by saying Hitler was great, and his only mistake was to invade Russia.
    Hmmmmmm. I can't be the only one whos noticing a few gaping holes in their logic....


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    Quote Originally Posted by cristophe el perno View Post
    So long as it keeps 'em out of Britain I'll be happy.

    I read an article about this in the paper a while back (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/08/russia-race) and it seems they get around the utter stupidity of being Russian nationalists and simultaneously worshiping the guy who invaded Russia by saying Hitler was great, and his only mistake was to invade Russia.
    Hmmmmmm. I can't be the only one whos noticing a few gaping holes in their logic....
    Do Russia history teach them ,hilter see slavs are subhuman too? They worthship this guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadyrome View Post
    Do Russia history teach them ,hilter see slavs are subhuman too? They worthship this guy
    I was a leader of a football gang back in the days, and I grew up among many skinheads and all this subculture. let me assure you, very very few actually worship Hitler or take a clearly Nazi German approach to their philosophy. they consider themselves [Russians] as pure nordic whites and they hate all these emigrants from Central Asia, Northern Caucasus and China. they also glorify ROA (Russian Liberation Army, under general Vlasov command, fighting on Axis side vs commies). its a complex world view point, let me put it this way .

    now before we go anywhere further with that, let me assure you that the overwhelming majority of those skinheads are just a bunch of confused kids who want to belong somewhere and like the militarist style of skinheads. very few of them are actually "ideological" ones, majority of them are just punks who sit somewhere in the yards, drink beer, listen to music and occasionally fight each other during soccer matches. there is no unified and orgnaized nazi-skin movement in Russia that I am aware of. overwhelming majority of those young skinheads grow up, mature and become regular members of society, boring middle class .

    PS: 200,000 skinheads in Russia? I think this number is exaggerated. either way, 200,000 out of many millions of normal teenagers...
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    I have heard of Russian presidents claiming that rise of nationalist extremists is extremely dangerous for the country many times and for years. but I agree, this has been the strongest statement against them in a long time. once these gangs began to resort to open violence and terrorism - this is where the Ivan chose to wake the up. good.

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    I'd rather say they're trying to exit it, since they're already there...

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