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    Starting on Tuesday, Pakistan launched an offensive on Buner and Lower Dir, resulting in the deaths of Multiple Taliban soldiers and commanders.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...fensive--bi-08

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...d-in-buner--06

    They have set a goal for one week whihc inshallah they will accomplish and the Taliban will be driven off.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...r-buner--bi-07

    So I congradulate the Pakistani Frontier Force in battling the most evilest of people right there next to India. May Allah protect Pakistan forever. Pakistan Zindabad!

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    I pray that this works

    But wait...

    The Indians are still more evil than the Taliban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I pray that this works

    But wait...

    The Indians are still more evil than the Taliban?
    yuh we're still evil
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    Battling evil people next to India ? U mean Pakistan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Battling evil people next to India
    Evil people next to India ? U mean Pakistan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianPrince
    Evil people next to India ? U mean Pakistan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chagatai Khan
    yuh we're still evil
    Heh, you have fundie tards within 60 miles of your capital and your neighbor (who is not invading you nor trying to overthrow your government) is still a bigger threat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I believe the smiley is appropriate for this moment



    Heh, you have fundie tards within 60 miles of your capital and your neighbor (who is not invading you nor trying to overthrow your government) is still a bigger threat...
    even though we're in the middle of elections....
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    This is very good, hopefully our brave jawans will crush these cockroaches soon!

    o and by the way, quit it with the india bashing, i understand where you're coming from TS, but you're nationalistic rants are becoming sort of immature and annoying. Only if Pakistan and India work together we can truly make South Asia a better place.

    PS. Pakistan Zindabad! (and jai hind)


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    Quote Originally Posted by pspguy123 View Post
    This is very good, hopefully our brave jawans will crush these cockroaches soon!

    o and by the way, quit it with the india bashing, i understand where you're coming from TS, but you're nationalistic rants are becoming sort of immature and annoying. Only if Pakistan and India work together we can truly make South Asia a better place.

    PS. Pakistan Zindabad! (and jai hind)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    Jinnah looks like he is about to say "take your hand off me!"
    Well I must say, he IS wearing a pretty nice suit.

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    Well at least Pakistan is taking some well needed initiative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Kamos View Post
    Well at least Pakistan is taking some well needed initiative.
    I hope it isn't too late though.
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    Well, this was a must. And it really started last week with the insertion of the Rangers. Although it was a token force.

    Both Peshawar and Islamabad are under real threat of being overrun. And it ha been stated this is a goal. And despite the insertion of the Rangers, the Taliban have actually gained more ground, closer to Islamabad.

    It will be interesting to see if AQ/Taliban reinforce to hold for a battle, or look to just put up a fight and eventually melt away. It should be understood though, the people pulling the strings, might as well all be called AQ now. There is really very little distinction overall, between the Pakistan Taliban, and AQ.

    If AQ/T decide to reinforce, it could be with the heavy weapons units they have, and these units had months to refit after the Pak Mil pullout from Bajour. That could be very problematic, because these units have modern AT and shoulder fired anti-air weapons, similar to what Hezbollah has. These were the units that have really beat the hell out of the Pak Mil in the last 2-3 years.

    Under AQ, the Pakistan Taliban has learned to wage truly organized, guerilla warfare. And they have also benefited from the AQ arms procurement network.



    Their order of battle is robust, highly organized, and very flexible:

    -elite units that AQ has brought to the table; the so called 'shadow army', elite light infantry, shock troops. Comprised mostly of Arabs and Chechens, but also of Asians, from all over Central Asia. numbered 1000-3000.

    -heavy weapons platoons, similar to Western standards

    -standard, mostly Taliban born fighters, at around company size

    The shadow army commander outlines his goals for A-stan and Pakistan here:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Al Qaeda and the Taliban's strategy to defeat the West in Afghanistan is made clear. Sa'id, as the Shadow Army leader, would have first hand knowledge of the plan for victory. Sa'id's major points are:
    • Forces are to attack major provincial centers while simultaneously advancing on the capital of Kabul. Sa'id specifically mentions the Maidan-Wardak region just south of Kabul as being a pivotal area for staging attacks on the capital. • Interdict NATO's supply lines in Pakistan and force the Western countries to rely on Central Asian nations for logistical supply lines. Sa'id believes the Russians will threaten NATO's resupply effort and force Central Asian states from cooperating.

    • Leverage al Qaeda's knowledge gained in Iraq to train the Taliban for more sophisticated attacks. Al Qaeda has already "employed its military expertise in Iraq in to serve Taliban's project in Afghanistan and Pakistan, such roadside bombs which target the military convoys, and the suicide attacks which have never existed in Afghanistan before 11 September attack," according to Sa'id. He also said that al Qaeda has training camps in Northeastern Afghanistan, in Helmand province, and in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

    • Bleed the US and NATO allies through "organized guerilla warfare" as the Western countries face a financial crisis. "Taliban relied on patience, while the Americans can not tolerate long wars and the good tidings are promised to the patient people," he said. "[T]this type of war causes languor to the fortitude of any regular army and leads to its exhaustion and depletion over time even when the Americans join forces with the NATO." Sa'id quotes Osama bin Laden on how the financial crisis plus the extended wars have weakened America's resolve: "This is America today, staggering under the strikes and consequences of the mujahideen. There is a human loss, a political beat, and a financial breakdown. Even it begs small, as well as big countries. Its enemies are no longer afraid of it, and its friends are no longer respects it."

    • Continue to plan attacks against the West. Sa'id notes that almost all of al Qaeda's major attacks against the West were plotted in Afghanistan. "The overwhelming majority of the organization's main operations in Europe and the United States were planned in Afghanistan (the attack on the World Trade Centre's twin towers in New York, the destruction of the destroyer USS Cole in Aden, the bombing of the American Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salam, the attack on American tourists in Bali, Indonesia, and the bombing of a Jewish synagogue in Jerba, Tunisia)." he said. "Al Qaeda organization did not succeed at all in mounting any major operation in the West from Iraq."

    • Take advantage of Afghanistan's porous borders to flood the country with foreign recruits, who will eventually "return to their countries and probably Europe and the West after undergoing military training and ideological mobilization."

    • Take advantage of civilian casualties caused by Coalition forces in Afghanistan to turn the population against the government and Western forces.

    • Take advantage of NATO and Afghan forces' focus on the main civilian centers and the lines of communication. The Taliban and al Qaeda will use the countryside to train, recruit, and launch attacks against enemy forces.

    • Capitalize on US airstrikes in Pakistan for recruitment as well as for creating rifts between the two governments.

    • Eschew negotiations with the Afghan government and the West. Sa'id is adamant that the recent reports of negotiations with the Taliban are attempts to split the Taliban and al Qaeda, and that no members of the senior leadership were involved.

    Sa'id is clear that Mullah Omar was unwilling to turn over bin Laden after the US demanded it in late 2001, and that there is no reason to break from al Qaeda now when the Taliban have the upper hand. "US and western sources talk about their readiness to accept the Taliban in the Afghan future political structure should it leave the Al Qaeda," he said. "However, these sources close the eyes to the fact that Mullah Mohammad Omar has lost his throne [ruling] upon his refusal to hand over one person who is Osama bin Laden. Thus, will Mullah Mohammad Omar agree to a condition which he refused when he used to rule and when the United States was at the top of its might, and accept it now while he is on the threshold of a victory over his enemies?"

    • Expand the jihad into neighboring countries. Sa'id discusses using the leverage gained in Afghanistan to affect the outcome in neighboring countries.
    In the statement, Sa'id demonstrates al Qaeda's savvy in monitoring the foreign press and using the wealth of available information in its propaganda. Sa'id quotes from a host of Western media outlets. Sa'id also takes advantage of the slew of statements made by senior US, NATO, and UN officials that the war in Afghanistan is unwinnable. "Who thinks one day that US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, would welcome negotiations with Taliban, and welcome its participations in the government?," he said. "And who would think one day the Canadians, British, German, even the United Nations would admit the impossibility of winning the war by arms, and its invitation to them all to opt for the political solution? And who would think one day that Taliban would refuse talks?"
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    Pakistan has regained control of Daggar, taken out numerous Taliban bases, killed 50 talibans and 2 commanders in this on going battle in which the Pakistani army is showing its Mettle. Lets go boys in green and as always may Allah bless Pakistan. Pakistan Zindabad!

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...d-in-buner--06

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story...l.asp?Id=21817

    18 of the Security force (read police men) have been freed:

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...ed-ispr--bi-09

    And encouraging words from the government:

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...verage-szh--02

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    That could be very problematic, because these units have modern AT and shoulder fired anti-air weapons, similar to what Hezbollah has. These were the units that have really beat the hell out of the Pak Mil in the last 2-3 years.
    Not only that, they have beaten the crap out of Massoud in the 90ties. As soon as I read about these brigades being involved, it scared the hell out of me. It is highly questionable if the Pak Army is able to take on these guys. I do not think the Pakistan Military even realizes what they are up against, these aren't just some wild men from the mountains. So far the strategy of AQ/Taliban has been brilliant and very successful and shows AQ has been the main drive behind the Taliban successes.

    Here is a link, I'll simply keep on posting, watch the video to see how capable the Pak military is.

    http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2009/03/...r-documentary/

    The skirmishes we see now in Dir and Buner are not the hard core fighters of the Taliban.

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