17 player hotseat.

**fainez** · April 27, 2009, 07:42 PM

well I though it would be interesting to play a hotseat campaign where i control all the playable factions in MD2 vanilla. and after a month here are the very interesting results.

So yeah denmark completed its long campaign victory first. cant say i saw that coming. i also kept track of which factions died out in what order giving them all "places"
so in backwards order (showing which factions died as the game progressed)

17th france, 16th scottland, 15th spain, 14th holy roman empire, 13th portugal, 12th milan, 11th sisly, 10th russia, 9th byzantine empire, 8th turks, 7th venice, 6th egypt,
5th the moors, 2 regions, 67 won 95 lost, (1 living general)
4th england 2 regions 113 won 60 lost (tie breaker 7 living generals)
poland in 3rd 24 regions, 91 wins, 28 losses
hungary got 2nd 26 regions 80 won, 54 lost
1st denmark 47 regions controlled 115 battles won, 59 battles lost

the factions with the battle stats are the ones that survived until the end of the game when denmark won. some interesting events, after a long war between the Mongols and the Egypt & turk alliance All the mongol characters were assassinated wiping out all of their armies.

lol it took alot of tries.
Anyways, if anyone finds this interesting and has any questions about how everything turned out as it did, i have many more SS's and stuff.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · April 27, 2009, 07:50 PM

Whats the point of playing all factions? Doesn't that mean you can just choose who you want to win..

**fainez** · April 27, 2009, 07:54 PM

What would the point of picking who you want to win be. I just play as I would if I was playing single player, but on every faction. Also i played with Fow off since it was sort of pointless. My goal was to try and just see what would happen without having to watch the crappy AI screw around, so i figured what could be better than a Human playing each.

**Darkpriest667** · April 27, 2009, 08:02 PM

I like the idea i might have to try it myself.

**fainez** · April 27, 2009, 08:25 PM

Yeah, its more fun then you would think. I'm thinking of starting a new one using the Kingdoms grand campaign mod, so there we be 25 playable factions. however i was having an issue when i would click the final faction in the mod the game would crash, so i dont know if u cant play all 25 and you are limited to 24 or if i just have some minor issue i have to fix.

Anyways back to my finished one. Denmark, Poland, and Hungary all had an alliance pretty early on and stuck together throughout the entire game. i think the main reason they they dominated the other large alliances, and factions was the fact that after denmark took alot of the holy roman empire, they are all pretty much back to back to back, and proceeded to expand to the edges of the map. Egypt gave Hungary a lot problems even after fighting back the Mongols. but once Poland came down from the north the two pronged attack slowly pushed them back, and then Denmark sailing troops from Italy down to Cairo was the final dagger.
Very early picture of france getting crusaded on after being excommunicated

The Moors had a very powerful empire around mid-game and i honestly though they would win. however the Christian forces eventually counteracted after they over-extended their forces.
Height of the moor's empire

**Surgeon** · April 27, 2009, 08:49 PM

KGCM has a known bug that if you click too many factions on the faction select screen, it crashes. Don't know if this also governs hotseat faction selection or if you encountered a separate bug.

Anyhow, interesting experiment, if that's the right word. How exactly did you play this, though? Wouldn't you know exactly when and what kind of attack will occur? How did you decide the diplomacy?

**fainez** · April 27, 2009, 10:20 PM

diplomacy sorta was just "what would be best for the faction im currently playing" and some factions just stayed allies for a long time. Almost all battles were auto resolved. As to knowing exactly what and where things were getting attacked, you would be surprised how hard it is to remember all that info for every faction since your switching often. anyways it certainly wasn't suppose to be a "who would win if everything was AI" or something, just a different way of playing the game that i enjoyed. I tend to get bored with playing a single faction, this way i can try out both sides, attack, defense, large empire, small faction trying to survive being crushed.
one thing i noticed is I felt like the Islam factions units were just poor compared to the European kingdoms, the moors really should of won, with the econ and units they had, but the fact that most of there units dont have good armor saw they losing a lot of battles where they clearly had the enemy outnumbered, and they still didnt have a better unit to choose from.

**ayanlavic** · April 28, 2009, 06:39 AM

this may sound stupid, but how to play a hotseat?

i got the vanilla version..thanks

**Neige** · April 28, 2009, 06:50 AM

It surely took you a lot of time... some six moths maybe? Looks kinda boring to me though. You have to spend countless hours of micromanaging. And fighting with militias at early period. And also it isn't very fair, is it? You get to choose weather to attack "B" faction with "A" faction or wait a turn and attack "A" faction with "B" faction.