what is your opinion about dwarves?

**TWmadman** · April 27, 2009, 02:03 PM

how do you like them so far? unit roster, skin etc...
what is your favourite unit, which one disapointed you, what do you not like in dwarves faction?

**The Doge of Venice** · April 27, 2009, 02:11 PM

They have too low of defensive skill i think.

**Jean=A=Luc** · April 27, 2009, 02:22 PM

What is your opinion on the Dwarves?

Arrow fodder.

Just kidding, haven't played as them nor against them yet.

**monsterfurby** · April 27, 2009, 02:23 PM

I agree [with the Doge], but on the other hand their gameplay experience reflects the whole dwarven war pretty well: outnumbered and outmatched, the dwarves heroically struggle for survival against the hordes of darkness. Every battle won is a heroic deed, and every death a heavy loss.

Actually, I like it

**Fev** · April 27, 2009, 02:32 PM

I have to say that dwarves are awesome.

**severussep** · April 27, 2009, 02:43 PM

Well they get really pwnd by archers.. So I will save them for later when/if they nerf archers or raise the defence of dwarves.

**Ragnarök** · April 27, 2009, 02:59 PM

Their armors are fine, but currently missiles are overpowered. What they need is
better stamina and more hit points for their generals..

**sithlord447** · April 27, 2009, 03:12 PM

love the units but some they get

ed up by archers...

**Kolaris8472** · April 27, 2009, 03:26 PM

I wanted to play them first, I LOVE their roster and the work done on them - unfortunately they blow hard on the battle map.

They can't even take the crap rebel units in the surrounding provinces in a 1 on 1 fight. Balin died in my first battle against a depleted Bandit Woodsman unit.

**Beregond** · April 27, 2009, 03:29 PM

Yeah,definitely more stamina!if I'm correct only two units have 'good stamina'.This is a ridiculious insult to any Dwarf!And 3hp to generals would be fine

To those who have problems with those damn skirmishers and archers:hire more axethrowers and crossbows.They can be build pretty fast.Crossbows make a bloody mess out of Goblins!

**Arto** · April 27, 2009, 03:30 PM

Cool guys, if you don't piss them off. Also, useless against archers.

**BlackViper** · April 27, 2009, 03:32 PM

Give them a testudo against elves

(yeah I know you can't have that in MTWII)
I've only fought against them and I use the run and gun(shoot) tactic works out pretty well

(I play OotMM)

**Beregond** · April 27, 2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by BlackViper

Give them a testudo against elves

(yeah I know you can't have that in MTWII)
I've only fought against them and I use the run and gun(shoot) tactic works out pretty well

(I play OotMM)

Yeah...that's their weak place if they don't have crossbows..Used those *** skirmishers,right?

**TWmadman** · April 27, 2009, 03:56 PM

since iron guard/dragonslayer pwn everything in close combat i think it is fair that archers still a big danger, just save your best units and send simple dwarf warriors taking arrows till close combat...

**ShockBlast** · April 27, 2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by TWmadman

since iron guard/dragonslayer pwn everything in close combat i think it is fair that archers still a big danger, just save your best units and send simple dwarf warriors taking arrows till close combat...

Or send some Dale Cavalry....

The Dwarves are ok the have the best hold the line infantry in the game and their ranged AP units are going to decimate the best armored foe before it reaches the dwarven lines.And if you get some Axemen of Erebor then you got your self a walking wall of death that only the Trolls can break.Iron Guard and Dragonslayers with Vault Wardens right behind them and flank with Axemen of Erebor and some keep the Dale cavalry for ranged units.

**TWmadman** · April 27, 2009, 04:36 PM

dunno if i m wrong but i use to get this compo/formation

---XBOW---XBOW---XBOW---XBOW---
---VW---VW---VW---VW---VW---VW---
---DS---DS---IG---IG---IG---DS---DS---
------------------GENERAL------------------
--------CAV--------------------CAV---------

VW= vault wardens
DS= dragonslayers
IG= iron guards

the idea is to use iron crossbowmen till contact, then withdraw behind VW who will hold the line and tank the first charge. secondly DS will flank the ennemy while iron guards are kept in reserve/assisting the main line. at the same moment, 2 grp of xbowmen are formed, the first one take the left side while the second one is taking the right side. since DS are flanking the ennemy, my xbowmen shoot the ennemy in the back while covered by cavalries

**ShockBlast** · April 27, 2009, 05:00 PM

Yes mate it's a good formation.The VW will engage the enemy and then the infantry will come from behind and become the the first line and the VW will keep poking the enemy from the the distance.
Oh don't forget the axethrowers damn those guys decimate and they can throw over the sholder of your units they will not shoot like the archers or the crossbowmen up in the air if they have friendly infantry in their fornt.
Use the Axemen of Eriador to flank and charge from behind.

Originally Posted by TWmadman

the idea is to use iron crossbowmen till contact, then withdraw behind VW who will hold the line and tank the first charge. secondly DS will flank the ennemy while iron guards are kept in reserve/assisting the main line. at the same moment, 2 grp of xbowmen are formed, the first one take the left side while the second one is taking the right side. since DS are flanking the ennemy, my xbowmen shoot the ennemy in the back while covered by cavalries

Nice ideea with the crossbowmen but be careful if they have cavalry they will like to smash their lances in your crossbowmen then in the VW.
Against Rhun you should use axethrowers.

---VW -----------VW(in 3 lines to cover more of your frontline)
-IG/DS ---IG/DS ---IG/DS
VW --AT-- AT --AT-- VW(for flanking)
-----Cav---gen--cav
For an army with alot of cavalry but can work very well against any army.

**qwertman** · April 27, 2009, 05:05 PM

waayyyy too vulnerable to arrows. They're slow foot soldiers and just cannot handle skirmishing archers at all. Armored to the teeth with shields as big as their bodies but still get cut to shreds. They could hire Dale cav mercs but they are too few and limited. Unless there's a coalition army where you could get backed up by a friendly army of elven or rohan(ese?) army I don't think you they'll be able to take over middle earth by themselves.

Perhaps a solution maybe to have a buildable Dale Motel or something lol where you could recruit Dale cavalry straight up.

**ShockBlast** · April 27, 2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by qwertman

waayyyy too vulnerable to arrows. They're slow foot soldiers and just cannot handle skirmishing archers at all. Armored to the teeth with shields as big as their bodies but still get cut to shreds. They could hire Dale cav mercs but they are too few and limited. Unless there's a coalition army where you could get backed up by a friendly army of elven or rohan(ese?) army I don't think you they'll be able to take over middle earth by themselves.

Perhaps a solution maybe to have a buildable Dale Motel or something lol where you could recruit Dale cavalry straight up.

They have the biggest defence in the game (excepting the Trolls and the mumakil) use the Dale cavalry only for archers if you want to flank use Axemen of Eriador or Axethrowers to help the front line.
If the Dwarves are hard to play then Gondor must be over kill fighting both Mordor and Harad at the hame time.