Traits and triggers

[Pengo]

Hi

In the export_descr_character_traits.txt file traits and their triggers are seperate, all traits first then all triggers. Does this need to be this way or can I write some traits, then their triggers, then more traits ect.,?

Any help is appreciated greatly.

[GrnEyedDvl]

The traits have to be first. You cant mix them up.

[Pengo]

Cheers for the replyGrnEyedDvl.

Another question, with triggers all conditions are "and" conditions. Are we able to use some type or "or" statement?

eg From what I'm doing


Trigger AttendsMassIncrease
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition EndedInSettlement
and SettlementBuildingExists = small_church or small_church_o
and AttendsMass < 2

Affects AttendsMass 1 Chance 12

Note the "and SettlementBuildingExists = small_church or small_church_o" line containing the or statement.

[Squid]

No you cannot use or in a trigger, just make two triggers. Also if AttendsMass is a trait the condition should be and Trait AttendsMass < 2.

Moved to text editing and scripting

[Pengo]

Thanks for the help Sqυιd

Another question.

How do I refer to a commander being outside of a city/castle and having a priest with him (ie under the agents tab)? Also if I can refer to the priest can I also refer to the priests piety?

eg

Condition with character Priest
and Priest piety <3

I'm looking for examples in the .txt file but not seeing any.

[Squid]

You'd do something like:

Condition not EndedInSettlement
and I_CharacterTypeNearCharacterType <faction> general 0 <faction> priest

There's no way that you check the priests piety level though that I can think of. I'd suggest downloading the M2TW docudemon files as these contain a complete list of events and conditions that you can use.

[Pnutmaster]

[/B]Another question.

How do I refer to a commander being outside of a city/castle and having a priest with him (ie under the agents tab)? Also if I can refer to the priest can I also refer to the priests piety?

There is exactly a condition for this (and I believe the priest has to be in his army/under the agent's tab).

"HighestAttSharedChar"

;------------------------------------------
Trigger CommanderWithPriest_1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition not EndedInSettlement

and HighestAttSharedChar Piety priest >=3

Affects Religious 1 Chance 25

[dearmad]

There is exactly a condition for this (and I believe the priest has to be in his army/under the agent's tab).

"HighestAttSharedChar"

Make sure PIETY is NOT capitalized for that condition to work. It is picky that way:

and HighestAttSharedChar Piety priest >=3

should be

and HighestAttSharedChar piety priest >=3

so... this is a nice little trigger to steal for BBB.

[Pengo]

Cheers Pnutmaster, greatly appreciated!
And you too dearmad

[dearmad]

BIGTIME edit... after a lot of testing with that trigger just now... I can't get it to work at all whenusing it for priests... witches appear to work, but priests do not work at all.

This test one fails:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger TravelWithPriest
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition not EndedInSettlement
and IsGeneral
and HighestAttSharedChar Piety priest >= 3
and FactionIsLocal

Affects ReligiousActivity 1 Chance 100

and "piety" makes it always succeed no matter what...

[dearmad]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ttAdjacentChar

[Pnutmaster]

Ugh. I bet that condition was written solely with Witches in mind.

[Pengo]

I did some testing and found the same thing. Also:

I tried swapping the trigger from this "and HighestAttSharedChar piety priest >= 3" to this "and HighestAttSharedChar priest piety >= 3" and exactly the same happens, 100% chance of success. I think its like that line is just ignored.... I'll test

*edit* I changed the line to this "and HighestAttSharedChar pengo piety >= 3" and again it was a 100% per turn success. Although I was sharing the computer with the commander and my piety is 5, maybe I should change it and do another test

*edit 2* this is causing rage to build inside! I'm thinking I should just wipe everything, install Ubuntu 9.04 and go live on a mountain!

Anyway..... Does anyone know whatGrnEyedDvl means when he says "I havent used it but it has a trigger requirement of character_record, so you need to add an event that exports that." I'm working on getting the HighestAttAdjacentChar condition to work as HighestAttSharedChar seems to be a red herring.

[konny]

*edit* I changed the line to this "and HighestAttSharedChar pengo piety >= 3" and again it was a 100% per turn success.

Have you checked that this only fires for the character that meats the requirements and not for all FMs? My experince with triggers that contain errors (and "pengo" will be considered that by the engine) makes them fire either never or for every character that meats the readable part (here: NotEndedInSettlement).

[Pengo]

Have you checked that this only fires for the character that meats the requirements and not for all FMs? My experince with triggers that contain errors (and "pengo" will be considered that by the engine) makes them fire either never or for every character that meats the readable part (here: NotEndedInSettlement).

The point I was making is that it didn't matter if we put HighestAttSharedChar piety priest >= 3, HighestAttSharedChar priest piety >= 3 or HighestAttSharedChar pengo piety >= 3, none work thus the trigger does as you say, always triggers for commanders Not EndedInSettlement

Reading the link provided by dearmad above I can see other have not been able to get it to work, but have made its close kin condition HighestAttAdjacentChar work, but it needs "a trigger requirement of character_record, so you need to add an event that exports that."-GrnEyedDvl

I guess I could PM GrnEyedDvl but I'll wait first and see if anyone else does.
Does anyone know what the "trigger requirement of character_record, so you need to add an event that exports that" is?

[konny]

TReading the link provided by dearmad above I can see other have not been able to get it to work, but have made its close kin condition HighestAttAdjacentChar work

The problem with that, because it was made for whitches, would be that it also fires for enemy characters. But, thinking a second time about, it wouldn't be that bad: Why shouldn't a young mate take the enemy general as an example for loyalty and piety.

[Pnutmaster]

Ditch HighestAttSharedChar and instead use "HighestAttAdjacentChar Piety priest >= 3" (piety is lowercase in the docu-demon, but that is incorrect. Bad CA).

[Pengo]

Does anyone know what GrnEyedDvl means by "trigger requirement of character_record, so you need to add an event that exports that"?

HighestAttAdjacentAtt does not work without it.

*edit* I'm doing a search, I think you don't need to do something with "character_record" from what I see but its not working.

*edit2* I worked it out. Found some very good advise too, don't code when tired

[Squid]

Yes, events export lists of things, one of them can be character_record. If you are using a condition that requires character_record then the event that condition is checked under MUST export it. If it doesn't you will get false positives because I believe that any condition that can't be checked (because what it required to be exported isn't) will always return true.

Look in the docudemons to see what each event exports and what each condition requires be exported.

[Pengo]

I'm sorry I don't understand.

How does something get exported, and where does it get exported to?

Is the "trigger" an event?