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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.85 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    @LongPike
    Ad.2 Sometimes that happens, true, but it's not entirely predictable.

    The latest AI adresses some issues with sieges, it should help, but probably not in all cases, as AI's behaviour may vary even with the same AI.
    During my latest tests AI was quite eager to grab siege equipment, so it should all be fine though.

    I'll post a new version of the switcher in a few hours.
    If you need to see, which AI is copied over (and that happens every 5 mins), put Wscript.Echo intNumber under the last line beginning with "if intNumber", you'll see a pop-up window every time.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.85 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Played with 0.84 and it seems this is the best BAI.

    -AI reacts before my troops hit - if I try to charge they start to move pikemen
    -If I want to destroy missle units, they start running before i catch them
    -AI wants my generals dead You really have to keep both eyes on them
    -If i rush the walls they send more units up there, surrounding my units which makes them run
    -Hard enough to stop chain heroic victories, which also reduces general creation / progression
    -Troop reaction seems to be more smooth. They never split in all directions and react faster. AI also makes a good use of charging, crushing my men with 2-3 units all the time

    The biggest problem are AI generals who follow my generals behind my lines.
    Like I said, they want my generals dead
    Also some infantery flanking tuning would be nice, most of the time they just attack straight forward.
    Last edited by Black-; May 17, 2009 at 09:37 AM.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.85 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    @Black-

    Thx for feedback.
    AI general's movement is restricted, so any further changes aren't possible, coz it would lead to GU standing and doing nothing.
    Flanking is already maximally encouraged as well (particularly in the latest release, not to suicidal level though), I'm constantly working on tweaks, but some general limitations apply to AI.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.85 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Noticed some minor problem. Archers are sent out to far, making them more vulnerable to light (fast) cav.
    Reducing the space between archers and other units would aid them

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.85 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    @Black-
    At some point their possible engage distance was set to ~30m, it's 22.5m from their starting positions in v0.85, which are very low values now and it may sometimes happen that they get overrun, still it's much reduced compared to other mods. I need to keep it within reason too, as missile units need to have at least a little space for an attack if they run out of arrows and the same AI is used for sieges - almost every setting is a two-edged sword, I'm trying to find some balance.
    But again, thanks for reports, as I'm glad to explain any doubts and possibly improve some issues if I find it doable.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    New AI available, changes listed in the 1st post.
    I've also made an AI Shieldwall script, available via this page: Info and download

    Looking for feedback on both, particularly the shieldwall.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Oh cool, the AI can do shieldwall?? Nicely done again G5!
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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Ah but can they do "Boar Snout"?
    as featured in TV prog: 1006 - the battle for middle earth

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/1066/catch-up

    (don't know if there are restrictions on where this can be accessed from.)

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Hmm... in theory turning on wedge formation for infantry would be possible. Even use of it by AI is theoretically implementable.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    cool stuff. just installed the battle switcher for SS 6.1. Quick question. Do i need to start a new campaign or will it access the 3 AI's in a current 6.1 campaign?

    Thanks again for these good mods!

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    new campaign is only needed if ya want the shield wall or stakes to work, otherwise your g2g.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    thanks corT!

    Quick question. I ran SS 6.1 and got this error.

    Script: C:\Program Files\Sega\MTW2\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\G5BAISwitcher.vbs
    Line: 28
    Char: 23
    Error: Permission denied
    Code: 800A0046
    Source: Microsoft VBScript runtime error

    I use Vista 64. I figured it might be some admin stuff so I ran as admin but then it couldnt even find the Kingdoms file. Thanks for any info!

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Hey,
    I couldn't connect twcenter since monday... dunno why... No campaign restart needed, to solve vista problem turn UAC off and see if that helps (it should).

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Awesome. Thanks Germanicu5! It worked.

    Quick questions.

    Should the little black box stay open while SS runs (by black box is mean the console where it shows the script loading).

    Also, all my saved games are gone. Is this common when installing your battle switcher? It doesnt really matter I spose as I had no good games going anyways!

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by gord96 View Post
    Awesome. Thanks Germanicu5! It worked.

    Quick questions.

    Should the little black box stay open while SS runs (by black box is mean the console where it shows the script loading).

    Also, all my saved games are gone. Is this common when installing your battle switcher? It doesnt really matter I spose as I had no good games going anyways!
    The black box closes when battle switcher terminates, so it's a good indication of whether it resides in memory or not, so I'd leave it open.

    Switcher has absolutely nothing to do with any disappearing files, its code includes copy and monitoring commands only. My guess is that it has something to do with switching UAC off (probably saves were stored in compatibility folder before and now the game looks for them in main game directory).

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    Noob question from a noob:

    I have RR1.3/RC1.8/CBUR/BFTB/BGR IV Compilation Version APRIL 8, UPDATE April 23. If I understood, Im playing your battle IA.

    I played just around 50 turns in Early Era, so didnt really have good combinated armies for see all the potential of your AI (just somoe horses and thousands of spearmen and peasants with bows in both sides). I see some awesome behavior of the IA in siege battles indicating me that Im not playing the vanilla IA, but in open field battles I see that the IA armies allways attack you. That means you can search a good high position for place your army and stay there comfortably until the enemy came to you. You shoot all your well placed missile units and when the enemy is near you charge down. This is a big advantage for human player if you can allways play to defend. I remember just one battle where the moors did the oposite, they stayed in a mountain waiting for my army hard climbing.

    Should that be in this way or Im not really playing your battle IA? How can I check it?

    Thank you in advance. Im impressed to see almost a "Ferrari" here instead of the old "Seat Panda" I used to play once and Im impressed to see yet people like you who seem never to get tired of improve it more and more.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.86 - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts development and discussion

    @deadhero
    Thx for your praise. AI armies attack when they have huge advantage, have big advantage in missile troops and also when they have no missile units at all. This may look like attacking too often, but I think it's well-balanced. My AI is default in RR/RC, so you're playing using it, but it's a relatively old release, please download the newest AI to see more benefits.

    New AI uploaded, .exe installer added for BattleAI Switcher. It fixes most of cases with non-firing javelin units and makes AI army advance in better order.

    Edit: For previous ReallyBadAI+Stakes .zip there was a directory structure which could prevent proper installation of stakes script, please check if you don't have Stainless_Steel_6/Data/Data directory,. if you do please reinstall following 1st post instructions.

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    Last edited by Germanicu5; May 29, 2009 at 05:53 AM.
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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI v0.88 >May 29< - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle Switcher/Scripts

    Thanks again.

    Everything installed. Is time to play!!!!!
    Last edited by deadhero; May 29, 2009 at 03:31 PM.

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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI Overhaul v0.88 >May 29< - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle AI Switcher/Scripts

    i have error . i can't install this.

    can you explain the exactly step to install in this configuration?

    i have SS 6.1 + Real Recruitment+Real Combat+CBUR+BFTB+BGRIV for SS:
    Latest Version APRIL 8th + Update APRIL 23.

    thanks


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    Default Re: ReallyBadAI Overhaul v0.88 >May 29< - Stainless Steel, RR/RC Battle AI/Battle AI Switcher/Scripts

    @mrcosta
    If you want pure AI and stakes script, download
    THIS, Installation: Unpack attached files to Stainless Steel/data directory (default: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\data)
    If you additionally want to use Battle AI Switcher, download THIS and install it in your Stainless Steel directory (
    default: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\).
    If you have Vista, turn UAC off - otherwise battle AI switcher won't work and errors will pop up.
    Also delete compatibility folder C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\ , but remember to backup savegames before doing that (copy them to desktop or smth).

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    Last edited by Germanicu5; May 30, 2009 at 06:09 PM.
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