The Democratic Party: Communists?

**Deep_Red** · April 23, 2009, 11:32 AM

Since I´ve been told several times the Democratic Party was socialist, I decided to gather some information on how people argue for this.
Here is a quite good example of such an argumentation:
http://wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com...ocratic-party/

So, for my part I´m somekind in between of laughter and shame concerning this theory.
As a European council communist I just have to ask myself what excactly makes the Democratic Party of the United States socialist or even communist.

Please state your opinion.

**B5C** · April 23, 2009, 11:47 AM

They are never close to Communist, but there are Democrats who consider themselves Socialist. The majority of the party endorse lite-socialism.

**rusina** · April 23, 2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Deep_Red

As a European council communist I just have to ask myself what excactly makes the Democratic Party of the United States socialist or even communist.

American stupidity?

**Deep_Red** · April 23, 2009, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by rusina

American stupidity?

Possible. But, you see: Now you are communist for you are anti-American!

No, seriously: Is here no one to explain that to me?

**Nietzsche** · April 23, 2009, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by rusina

American stupidity?

As opposed to Finnish?

Speak of only those things that you know. Thanks

European socialism doesn't belong on American soil. We are a widely heterogeneous society with multiple cultural groups all vying for their own personal stake. Where Euro countries tend to be ethnically homogeneous with small (proportionally) immigrant populations. This kind of cultural disparity (and rampant illegal immigration not experienced by most European countries) make socialist policies of any kind prohibitively expensive and difficult to manage due to the large geographic area of the United States. The Federal Government likes a "rubber stamp" policy where all circumstances and events are considered the same. In a land where regional variation and cultural plurality reigns, this kind of heavy handedness only serves to enrage the very people it is trying to help. Problems should be solved locally. This central idea, and fundamental to American political history is the anti-thesis of socialism, which assumes central control of all country problems. It cannot work in the US because of the very construction of our government (Local-State-Federal) and the important influence of our Constitution.

**Deep_Red** · April 23, 2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

As opposed to Finnish?

Speak of only those things that you know. Thanks

European socialism doesn't belong on American soil. We are a widely heterogeneous society with multiple cultural groups all vying for their own personal stake. Where Euro countries tend to be ethnically homogeneous with small (proportionally) immigrant populations. This kind of cultural disparity (and rampant illegal immigration not experienced by most European countries) make socialist policies of any kind prohibitively expensive and difficult to manage due to the large geographic area of the United States. The Federal Government likes a "rubber stamp" policy where all circumstances and events are considered the same. In a land where regional variation and cultural plurality reigns, this kind of heavy handedness only serves to enrage the very people it is trying to help. Problems should be solved locally. This central idea, and fundamental to American political history is the anti-thesis of socialism, which assumes central control of all country problems. It cannot work in the US because of the very construction of our government (Local-State-Federal) and the important influence of our Constitution.

Ok, your arguments seem reasonable.
But didn´t you ever think of the possibility that an US-communism would naturally adapt the circumstances and grow de-centralistic? Like the early stages of communism were oriented?

But, one question more: Do you, personally, think the Democrats are socialist/communist?

**Nietzsche** · April 23, 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Deep_Red

Ok, your arguments seem reasonable.
But didn´t you ever think of the possibility that an US-communism would naturally adapt the circumstances and grow de-centralistic? Like the early stages of communism were oriented?

But, one question more: Do you, personally, think the Democrats are socialist/communist?

I think the current Democrats are enamored with European socialist ideals. Why? I can't say for sure. But I can conjecture. The media often casts conservatives as ignorant yokels, unwashed brutes, or ancient rich gray hairs that hate minorities. This indicates to me a fundamental misunderstanding of conservatism, but also smacks of the same elitist

that many European countries spew about Americans in many arenas.

I would hazard a guess that many of our elites have visited the old country and have fallen all starry-eyed about how it is such a beautiful place and America is just full of drugs and violence and pornography. It's a categorical misunderstanding of what an American is, and what America is. While some democrats may actually believe that their pseudo-intellectual economic utopia can work in the current global climate, the bottom line is, the only way they have managed to achieve and keep power is creating near violent dissension between races, class groups, and sexes. The idea of merit has gone out the window with an avalanche of legislation that buries every citizen of this country.

So, in answer to your question, are democrats socialists, in my eyes, yes they are. Not only are they socialists, they are very close to social-despots. They only care to gather power in one corner of the country so they can enforce their will on all others. It's not altruism. It's power mongering. The Roman Emperors used to curry favor by throwing coins from their carriage and holding games where the undesirables were torn to pieces for public gratification. I see no difference today.

**Arjun** · April 23, 2009, 01:34 PM

they are not communist; but for some republicans; anything that is not conservative/religious fundamentalist is "communist"

secularism is the new "communism" for those people

look up MCCarthyism

**Dr. Croccer** · April 23, 2009, 02:12 PM

They're not Communist, they're not Socialist, they're center-right.

**Deep_Red** · April 23, 2009, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer

They're not Communist, they're not Socialist, they're center-right.

Dr. Croccer, if you got the time, would you explain your view, maybe take into account the source?
It´s something that really bucked me, so I´d be pleased if you explain how those thoughts arise concerning the Democrats.
And, in addition: What does the term "Dhimmicrats" imply?
I´m really curious now

**Barry Goldwater** · April 23, 2009, 02:35 PM

I consider them center-left, while the Republicans are center-right. Two sides of the same coin, only one side is a bit rusty and the other side's got scratches.

**Dr. Croccer** · April 23, 2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Deep_Red

Dr. Croccer, if you got the time, would you explain your view, maybe take into account the source?
It´s something that really bucked me, so I´d be pleased if you explain how those thoughts arise concerning the Democrats.
And, in addition: What does the term "Dhimmicrats" imply?
I´m really curious now

I take in account logic. The Democrats are mainly a Liberal party with a centrist economic view. The main point is that they're opposed to the Republicans, which are essentially traditionalist, maybe even far right with a right wing view on everything. Republicans against abortion, Democrats in favour of it; Republican for war, Democrats generally against it or try to limit it as much as possible, etc, etc. It's the fallacy of a two-party state. Both parties oppose eachother and accuse eachother of political radicalism, despite the fact that they're quite close on the politic spectrum, at least in comparison with the radical political groups they accuse eachother of being.

**Phier** · April 23, 2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer

They're not Communist, they're not Socialist, they're center-right.

Sometimes you are so far left that everything looks right.

**Dr. Croccer** · April 24, 2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Phier

Sometimes you are so far left that everything looks right.

Are you talking about me?

What makes the Democratic party ''Socialist''? What differentiates them from all those Centre-right parties across the world which have the exact same, if not even more Socialist, views about the same things?

Hense we have 'creeping socialism', as the leadership edges their constituents a bit closer as they can. If they tried to do it en mass they wouldn't be in office long

Yeah, those working and middle class Americans would be appalled by their universal healthcare and welfare. God forbid they should get a good standard of living. The man in charge would be impeached.

**Phier** · April 24, 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer

What makes the Democratic party ''Socialist''? What differentiates them from all those Centre-right parties
across the world which have the exact same, if not even more Socialist, views about the same things?

Right and left are completely relative. If you take a full fledged commie, the democrats are right, if you take a libertarian they are middle left. As such left and right is a completely useless designation.

Yeah, those working and middle class Americans would be appalled by their universal healthcare and welfare. God forbid they should get a good standard of living. The man in charge would be impeached.

Because we have people dying of disease in our streets? Currently, and just barely, the american WORKING class electorate isn't stupid enough to think that they will pay less over all for some nationalized health care system. My staff has full health coverage for less than Canadians pay in taxes for theirs, plus they have better access.

Good standard of living? Have you BEEN to the US? The only people who would get a step up in these plans are people who contribute nothing. Oh wait THEY ALREADY GET FULL COVERAGE.

**Dr. Croccer** · April 24, 2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Phier

Right and left are completely relative. If you take a full fledged commie, the democrats are right, if you take a libertarian they are middle left. As such left and right is a completely useless designation.

It isn't if you just look at facts.

Because we have people dying of disease in our streets?

No, just your hospitals.

Currently, and just barely, the american WORKING class electorate isn't stupid enough to think that they will pay less over all for some nationalized health care system. My staff has full health coverage for less than Canadians pay in taxes for theirs, plus they have better access.

You don't have to pay more taxes for universal healthcare. What an absurd notion. The revenue of the taxes is just spent more on healthcare. Try taking some from your millions of dollars of help to Israel.

Good standard of living? Have you BEEN to the US? The only people who would get a step up in these plans are people who contribute nothing. Oh wait THEY ALREADY GET FULL COVERAGE.

They're not contributing (much) because they're either ill, are poor or on the brink of both.