NHS in America will not work if it is anything like VHs

[awisler]

Look at how we treat former veterans at the veterans hospitals in America. They are in a horrible state, and offer some care for the most part. If we can't take care of our veterans for free, how are we supposed to take care of everyone else for free? If veterans get that kind of care, what the hell is an average citizens going to be like? Is there some messed up part of the VH system I am unaware of? Even if so, odds are they would something up in a NHS.

[Viking Prince]

Well I think both partes are now working to make real improvements in the quality of health care for veterans --esp. those injured why serving. Time will tell if the political talk translates into action.

For what it is worth -- I do not see any reason to tie verterans healthcare to universal healthcare ideas. The two are seperate issues and will probably require seperate solutions.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

For what it is worth -- I do not see any reason to tie verterans healthcare to universal healthcare ideas. The two are seperate issues and will probably require seperate solutions.

Of course there is, The VA system is government health care from top to bottom. It is our best indication on how effectively the government could run a nation service.

For the most part it is a shambles. VA hospitals are consantly crowded and behind schedule. There are long waits for apoointments and impersonal care when you are seen. The buildings are in disrepair and dirty.

No vetern that can avoid it goes to a VA hospital.

[shadyrome]

They cannot afford it... Plus don't usa have 12trillion in debt?

[Martin N]

Neither can britian and most other countries, there debt is like 1.0 trillion pounds, thats around 3 trillion dollars, dont forget britain is alot smaller than us, and there GDP is also alot smaller, so that debt is infact quite substantial, probably about half of there GDP.

I see no reason why we cant afford it, if we stop throwing money at an unshifting, inevitable depression.

[justicar5]

Neither can britian and most other countries, there debt is like 1.0 trillion pounds, thats around 3 trillion dollars, dont forget britain is alot smaller than us, and there GDP is also alot smaller, so that debt is infact quite substantial, probably about half of there GDP.

I see no reason why we cant afford it, if we stop throwing money at an unshifting, inevitable depression.

your exhange rate is off, £1 trillion is about $1.4, if that. But yea it is a hell of a lot. So far we are at 19.8% GDP spent on the bail outs :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...uk-bailout-gdp

[Каие]

Unfortunately the USA can never have an NHS due to a multitude of factors ranging from the complete inability to coordinate and the price it will cost.

[justicar5]

Unfortunately the USA can never have an NHS due to a multitude of factors ranging from the complete inability to coordinate and the price it will cost.

true, I wonder if the responsability was at state level, with funding coming from federal level would that work better? I really have difficulty with the seperation of those enities in american politics.

[Каие]

true, I wonder if the responsability was at state level, with funding coming from federal level would that work better? I really have difficulty with the seperation of those enities in american politics.

I don;t think so at all. There is literally little to no extra money available from Federal level to pay for such a thing, and it is unlikely that states can raise enough taxation revenue to apply it there. Maybe smaller states to an extent.

[Justice and Mercy]

true, I wonder if the responsability was at state level, with funding coming from federal level would that work better? I really have difficulty with the seperation of those enities in american politics.

State-run would be the only Constitutional (and thus legal) way to do it.

Though I would personally be against it in my state if it came to that.

EDIT: Though it won't. We all know the socialists will just ignore the 10th and no one will give a .

[The Devil's Sergeant]

Unfortunately the USA can never have an NHS due to a multitude of factors ranging from the complete inability to coordinate and the price it will cost.

The cost isn't the issue to me, it is the violation of human liberty and dignity that I find so offensive.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

The cost isn't the issue to me, it is the violation of human liberty and dignity that I find so offensive.

dam my liberty to pay for healthcare and get ed over by the system. I pity those poor oppressed brits.

[Каие]

The cost isn't the issue to me, it is the violation of human liberty and dignity that I find so offensive.

Of course the cost isn't an issue for you.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

Of course the cost isn't an issue for you.

As a federal budget item, I mean.

[Stavroforos]

VHS was a catastrophe. Thank God for DVDs.

[Roman Rapper]

Of course it wont work if it's like VHS. VHS is long since redundent as a media storage format and even when it was at its peak it was technically inferior to Betamax.

[Каие]

You couldn't afford anyway. Your budgets are more geared towards killing and subjugating foreigners than keeping alive your own people.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

You couldn't afford anyway. Your budgets are more geared towards killing and subjugating foreigners than keeping alive your own people.

Damn straight.

[Mikelus Trento]

You couldn't afford anyway. Your budgets are more geared towards killing and subjugating foreigners than keeping alive your own people.

Rome....

If you continue on this path of totally childish anti-Americanism you have taken, you and I will be having many heated discussions.

Consider this fair warning. Be advised you live in a country with lots and lots of problems, and lots and lots of its own idiocy.

As an American, I will henceforth feature one British lunacy for every poke you take at America.

Is that understood?

"killing and subjugating foreigners"????? My god, you would be speaking German today if it wasn't for America. Put that in your shorts and let it bounce around awhile.

[Каие]

Rome....If you continue on this path of totally childish anti-Americanism you have taken, you and I will be having many heated discussions.

This is a nice change, I have gotten quite tired of backing your man in the last election.

Consider this fair warning. Be advised you live in a country with lots and lots of problems, and lots and lots of its own idiocy.

As an American, I will henceforth feature one British lunacy for every poke you take at America.

As a fully paid up member of the Opposition, I am 100% aware of the fact that there exists problems with the UK. I also happen to live here. You are of course welcome to point out Britihs lunacies, but I guarantee you one thing, for every British lunacy you can find I could find you a lunacy ten times worse. I'm not quite so shy in admitting my countries chronic failures and horrendous past.

"killing and subjugating foreigners"????? My god, you would be speaking German today if it wasn't for America. Put that in your shorts and let it bounce around awhile.

Ah yes this old Myth. The myth invented by nationalist Americans who have not yet come to terms with the fact their beloved nation originated from the southern most tip of Britain's left testicle.

But let us approach the age old myth that America saved Britain from speaking German. Firstly, the French, Yugoslavian, Greeks, Italians etc. did not, and were not forced to, speak Germans when they were occupied by Germany. Secondly, America did not save anyone from anything. Most certainly not the British. I will point you to two battles which occurred before the United States had even entered the war. The Battle of Britain and the Battle of El Alamein. The former stopped the dead the German invasion of Britain, defeated their Air Force, Navy and secured the Channel and English and Irish coasts, and the latter signalled the turning point of the defeat of Germany in Africa. Which then paved the way for Operation Torch (when you guys joined), then Husky etc.

But yes, keep telling yourselves that you saved everyone from speaking German, and this automatically invalidates any criticism of you today.

But yes, while we're on the subject of wars saving people from speaking languages, Americans would be speaking English (Yes, I went there) today were it not for the French. Now that is a real embarrassment if there ever was one.

Is that understood?

PS. You may be old enough to be my dad, but it doesn't give you the authority to make any demands here. But I do look forward to the..err..''many heated discussions''.