The Fate of Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal

[GeneralLee]

To be honest things have gone from bad to worse in Pakistan. The Taliban now control a district within 60-65 miles (110Km for everyone else) of Pakistan's capitol. I am aware that many Pakistani's believe India to be the far greater threat, but the rest of the world seems to have the opinion that the state is in the process of disintegrating. The most dangerous (and personally scary) aspect of it all is Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. What do you believe is the fate of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal? I'd like to do 5 dollar buy in but we'll have to settle for a poll winners get the satisfaction of "I told you so"... (I had to find some humor somewhere)

[Ishoss]

India go, go go? Armored thrust all the way to Lahore?

Meh, that would only split the country furhter

[IndianPrince]

India go, go go? Armored thrust all the way to Lahore?

Meh, that would only split the country furhter

We'd do that, but what with the whole world in a financial crisis and all, armoured thrusts have gotten a bit expensive !

A few collobarative CIA-RAW missile site hunting would be nice

Prince

[GeneralLee]

We'd do that, but what with the whole world in a financial crisis and all, armoured thrusts have gotten a bit expensive !

A few collobarative CIA-RAW missile site hunting would be nice

Prince

Why do you think the predators are there .

[Pious Agnost]

No 'Pakistan won't capitulate' or 'Islamabad won't be captured'?
The Americans and Indians are, really, really close-by. I voted the first one, anyway

[Babur]

voted for India of course .I doubt this would register as a major issue for the rural voters in India's ongoing elections though.

well there will be to pay if the Taliban get hold of those nukes as we all know .

[Barry Goldwater]

Either us or the Indians will obliterate Pakistan upon the fall of Islamabad.

[Babur]

Either us or the Indians will obliterate Pakistan upon the fall of Islamabad.

problem is we became kind of diplomatically isolated the last time we even tested our nukes.God knows what will happen if we actually use them against Pakistan.

[Barry Goldwater]

problem is we became kind of diplomatically isolated the last time we even tested our nukes.God knows what will happen if we actually use them against Pakistan.

I'm sure the international community is willing to let it slide if the ing Taliban got their hands on Pakistan's nukes, and we'll be even more lenient if the Taliban actually uses those nukes

[Babur]

I'm sure the international community is willing to let it slide if the ing Taliban got their hands on Pakistan's nukes, and we'll be even more lenient if the Taliban actually uses those nukes

well China would be very annoyed by it since they're traditional allies with Pakistan (hell AQ Khan even got blueprints for a nuclear weapon from them lol)

[Mithie]

I heartily applaud our fellow Indian members' resolution to take the mantle of devoting the entirety of its military resources in a time if economic crisis to hold the Afghan-Pakistan border and take up twice as much impoverished land than it currently has.

[Babur]

I heartily applaud our fellow Indian members' resolution to take the mantle of devoting the entirety of its military resources in a time if economic crisis to hold the Afghan-Pakistan border and take up twice as much impoverished land than it currently has.

lol sarcasm?

I am just saying that the Mumbai attacks showed that the problems in Pakistan have to be addressed,it's a case of national security.

[Mithie]

lol sarcasm?

Close.

I am just saying that the Mumbai attacks showed that the problems in Pakistan have to be addressed,it's a case of national security.

No one wants to touch the Afghan-Pakistan border with a ten foot pole - not even the US, and right now, I'm pretty sure not even Pakistan. It's a resource and manpower sink that Mushraff's Pakistan just happened to get stuck with, due to geography and bad timing. For India, safety from future Mumbai attacks and steamrolling Islamabad are two different things. The first is a matter of better trained, more efficient, and more decisive internal security and police actions, while the second is a Tom Clancy book.

[Babur]

No one wants to touch the Afghan-Pakistan border with a ten foot pole - not even the US, and right now, I'm pretty sure not even Pakistan. It's a resource and manpower sink that Mushraff's Pakistan just happened to get stuck with, due to geography and bad timing.

well the problem is that the Pathans have never accepted the Durrand line which forms the present border.

For India, safety from future Mumbai attacks and steamrolling Islamabad are two different things. The first is a matter of better trained, more efficient, and more decisive internal security and police actions, while the second is a Tom Clancy book.

your first point I agree with, but the thing is Pakistan was slow to take responbility for the attacks since the attackers had links there.

[Mithie]

youre first point I agree with, but the thing is Pakistan was slow to take responbility for the attacks since the attackers had links there.

That doesn't justify a full military invasion.

[Babur]

That doesn't justify a full military invasion.

Then how do we deal with the ISI then? who have been financing the Kashmir insurgency and are still rumoured to be bankrolling the Taliban.America has tried to apply pressure to no avail, it is both in India's and America's interests.

[Mithie]

Then how do we deal with the ISI then? who have been financing the Kashmir insurgency and are still rumoured to be bankrolling the Taliban.

You deal with intelligence operations with counterintelligence operations. The money and resources, not to mention the lives that will go to complete waste in a full scale military operation against Pakistan can be used instead to create and improve a very effective Indian intelligence service that's more than capable enough to perform against Pakistan.

Think about it for a second - a full scale invasion has two possible consequences -

The first is after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, India holds and occupy the nation against an unfavorable population. India bleeds manpower and resources not only putting down insurgencies but securing the Afghan-Pakistani border, a feat that so far no nation has accomplished.

The second is that after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, Indian troops withdraw, creating a state of total anarchy with a vendetta against India with ten times the conviction of a pre-Mumbai Pakistan, not only solving the problem of security, but magnifying it by a whole degree.

[Babur]

You deal with intelligence operations with counterintelligence operations. The money and resources, not to mention the lives that will go to complete waste in a full scale military operation against Pakistan can be used instead to create and improve a very effective Indian intelligence service that's more than capable enough to perform against Pakistan.

true but I guess we will have to wait until the elections to see if there will be any major overhaul of the Indian intelligence services

Think about it for a second - a full scale invasion has two possible consequences -

The first is after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, India holds and occupy the nation against an unfavorable population. India bleeds manpower and resources not only putting down insurgencies but securing the Afghan-Pakistani border, a feat that so far no nation has accomplished.

both country's infrastructure are pretty bad anyway.True, I was merely basing my view on the past performance of the Indian army against Pakistan.

The second is that after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, Indian troops withdraw, creating a state of total anarchy with a vendetta against India with ten times the conviction of a pre-Mumbai Pakistan, not only solving the problem of security, but magnifying it by a whole degree.

But I doubt the Sindhis or Baloch would mind us too much.In fact we've been funding the Baloch's struggle to secede from Pakistan .

either way there would be anarchy though looking at how things are going.

[Pious Agnost]

Third option.

If in doubt, Balkanize

[wudang_clown]

You deal with intelligence operations with counterintelligence operations. The money and resources, not to mention the lives that will go to complete waste in a full scale military operation against Pakistan can be used instead to create and improve a very effective Indian intelligence service that's more than capable enough to perform against Pakistan.

Yes, but you forgot to add time to your list. Creation of effective intelligence and counterintelligence ring is very time consuming, I think. Does everyone interested have this time? That's the question.

Think about it for a second - a full scale invasion has two possible consequences -

The first is after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, India holds and occupy the nation against an unfavorable population. India bleeds manpower and resources not only putting down insurgencies but securing the Afghan-Pakistani border, a feat that so far no nation has accomplished.

The second is that after taking out the Pakistani central infrastructure, Indian troops withdraw, creating a state of total anarchy with a vendetta against India with ten times the conviction of a pre-Mumbai Pakistan, not only solving the problem of security, but magnifying it by a whole degree.

Yes, that's true. But no one can guarantee, that couterintel./intel. operations in India and Pakinstan will succeed alone (I doubt it). And think about the consequences of exposing such operations.