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    KHMAJI, Georgia (AP) — At a military checkpoint between Georgia and its breakaway region of South Ossetia, the word "Russia" is hand-painted in pink on a concrete security barrier."It will be Russia," said a Russian army lieutenant as the Ossetian soldiers under his command nodded.
    "And Georgia used to be Russian, too," said the young freckle-faced lieutenant, who would give only his first name, Sergei. Three armored personnel carriers and a tank were dug in around the checkpoint.
    Russia has troops just 25 miles (40 kilometers) from the Georgian capital, in violation of the European Union-brokered cease-fire that ended last year's brief war. And in recent weeks, it has put even more soldiers and armored vehicles within striking distance of the city ahead of street protests against Georgia's president.
    The protests, which began April 9, drew about 10,000 people Tuesday, and opposition leaders said they would continue daily until President Mikhail Saakashvili resigned.
    The demonstrations have been fed by public anger over Georgia's humiliating defeat in the August war, which left Russian troops on previously Georgian-controlled territory and drove tens of thousands of Georgians from their homes.
    By reinforcing its military presence at a time of potential political instability, Russia appears determined to maintain pressure on Saakashvili, whom Moscow has openly said must be replaced before relations can be repaired.
    Georgia's Western-leaning government accuses the Kremlin of hoping to capitalize on political unrest to restore its influence over the former Soviet republic, which for almost 200 years was ruled by Moscow.
    The presence of the Russian troops poses a dilemma for Washington as it aims to improve relations with Moscow. Georgia worries the Obama administration will be reluctant to pressure Russia to comply with the cease-fire while seeking its cooperation on priority issues like the war in Afghanistan and North Korea's nuclear weapons program.
    Tensions over Georgia also complicate efforts to restore ties between Russia and NATO, which broke off contacts following the war. Russia has strongly objected to NATO military exercises scheduled to begin May 6 in Georgia and has warned the U.S. against helping Georgia rebuild its army.
    The military checkpoint near Akhmaji enforces a new boundary between Georgia and South Ossetia, the Russian-supported region that was at the center of the fighting. After routing the Georgian army, Russian troops took over entire districts of South Ossetia that had long been under Georgian control.
    Russian forces also occupied a new swath of territory in a second breakaway republic, Abkhazia, along the Black Sea coast.
    The European Union and United States consider Russia in violation of the cease-fire signed by President Dmitry Medvedev, which called for troops to pull back to positions held before the war began.
    Russia says the cease-fire has been superseded by separate agreements it signed with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which Moscow now recognizes as independent states.
    The actions by Russia reflect both its military strength and its willingness to challenge the West to reclaim a dominant role in Georgia and elsewhere in its former sphere of influence.
    Georgia's government sees Russia as determined to prevent the West from considering Georgia a reliable transit country for oil and natural gas, contending that was Russia's main objective in the war.
    The pipelines that cross Georgian territory are among the few that bypass Russia in supplying Europe with energy from the Caspian Sea and Central Asia. During the war, Russia bombed areas near the pipelines.
    "Russia wants to be the monopoly supplier," said political analyst Shalva Pichkhadze.
    Russia's Foreign Ministry confirmed the Kremlin has sent reinforcements to the boundary lines. It was responding to fears the Georgian government would provoke clashes to distract from the opposition protests, ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said.
    Georgia's Interior Ministry said Russia has 15,000 soldiers in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which would be far more than in past months. Since the beginning of April, Russia has moved 130 armored vehicles toward the boundary line from elsewhere in South Ossetia and 70 more have entered South Ossetia from Russia, ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said.
    Russia's Defense Ministry refused to comment on the composition of its forces, and Georgia's claims could not be independently verified. European monitors who patrol the boundary lines are not allowed into South Ossetia or Abkhazia, and journalists also are stopped at Russian checkpoints.
    Peter Semneby, the EU special representative for the South Caucasus, said the Russian military presence is clearly "significantly larger" than it was.
    From a Georgian police checkpoint just 100 yards (meters) from a Russian roadblock controlling access to the village of Akhmaji, a half dozen Russian tanks and other armored vehicles can be seen in the valley.
    Local police chief Timur Burduli said the vehicles appeared during the first week of April and are the Russian forces closest to Tbilisi, the Georgian capital. "A tank needs only 40 minutes," he said.
    Along the highway to Tbilisi, a freshly dug anti-tank trench stretches across a long field. Steve Bird, spokesman for the EU monitors, said the Georgians have been building such defenses in recent weeks.
    This is troubling, especially the words of the young Russian lieutenant. Could Russia soon invade the whole of Georgia?
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    I supported Russia's defensive moves against Georgia in the summer, but if there is no reason for them to begin their attacks again, then what the hell are they doing?

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    Don't think this is going to happen they don't have any reason for it and the consequences will be a thousand times worse than in the summer .

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    Quote Originally Posted by karo View Post
    Don't think this is going to happen they don't have any reason for it and the consequences will be a thousand times worse than in the summer .
    . Look at what happened in North Korea. (The nuclear tests, even the the U.N said there would be "dire consequences" if it tested the nukes. Lo and behold, they tested them successfully, and not a word from anyone)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I supported Russia's defensive moves against Georgia in the summer, but if there is no reason for them to begin their attacks again, then what the hell are they doing?
    Defensive moves by attacking and invading a country? Russia is as much at fault (if not more) for tye whole mess then georgie and the 2 regions combined. Its they who are fueling this conflict out of dreams of long gone by glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k995 View Post
    Defensive moves by attacking and invading a country? Russia is as much at fault (if not more) for tye whole mess then georgie and the 2 regions combined. Its they who are fueling this conflict out of dreams of long gone by glory.
    Russia didn't attack. Russia was fighting back, no invading. It was Georgia who tried to invade South Osetia and attacked Russian military base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    Russia didn't attack. Russia was fighting back, no invading. It was Georgia who tried to invade South Osetia and attacked Russian military base.
    No good old mother Russia was ''defending'' georgian rebel provinces from the georgian authority.
    Do you guys have any aspirations in becoming a EU member?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBlast View Post
    No good old mother Russia was ''defending'' georgian rebel provinces from the georgian authority.
    Russia was supposed to by UN orders. Also Georgia attacked Russia military base - so they clearly attacked Russia. Saakashvili should be grateful, that unlike him or his american overlords, Russia still cares about international treaties.
    Do you guys have any aspirations in becoming a EU member?
    I doubt Russia wants to become a resource cow for EU and lose its independence to Brussel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBlast View Post
    No good old mother Russia was ''defending'' georgian rebel provinces from the georgian authority.
    Do you guys have any aspirations in becoming a EU member?
    NO, we dont

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    Quote Originally Posted by k995 View Post
    And why are there russian bases in georgian territory?
    there are bases on Georgian territory? where ?

    with sources:
    Stalin [make link]:
    Deported nationalities:
    deported means reallocated, not killed. my own family was deported to Kazakhstan. boo ing hoo.

    Enemy POWs never returned:
    is this some kind of a sick joke? our people lost 27,000,000+, we were literally ing starving to death in the areas of bombed-out wasteland, yet we were supposed to make sure that the German POWs were treated better than our own civlians?

    in addition may I remind you that A LOT MORE RUSSIANS POWs DIED IN GERMAN CAPTIVITY THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    Katyn Massacre (April-May 1940):
    so I suppose the Germans, Americans or the French were much better in the occupied territories ?

    and the Russian apology and full cooperation with Polish side no longer cuts it? we will be guilty until the last Russian dies?

    the rest was Stalin's crimes against his own people.

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    Default Re: Russia moves troops closer to Georgia's capital

    Doesn't matter. We will not intervene militarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Doesn't matter. We will not intervene militarily.
    Indeed, if Russia intends to invade Georgia fully, then the only thing that can stop them is the Georgian army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Doesn't matter. We will not intervene militarily.
    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Hmm. Actually I changed my mind. I just remembered Litvinenko, British Petroleum and the British Council of Russia. Make our day Russia. Please.

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    So Britain is going to fight Russia alone? Or perhaps a "secret war"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    So Britain is going to fight Russia alone? Or perhaps a "secret war"?
    They are going to spead pictures of naked Margaret Thatcher to demoralize Russian troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    They are going to spead pictures of naked Margaret Thatcher to demoralize Russian troops.
    hahahah... I almost fell off my chair . +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich
    Fixed.
    Are you talking about Joseph Stalin? Because otherwise, the 'fixed' quote you made makes no sense whatsoever. Even then, Stalin seized power on his own, it's not like he stormed the Kremlin with Georgian troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    They are going to spead pictures of naked Margaret Thatcher to demoralize Russian troops.
    HAHAGH so true.

    Anyway to keep this on topic i would just like to say that im suspecting that russia is trying to recover what they lost after the union fell one part at a time. i would also like to add that Communism was a great idea inTHEoRY, and under Lenin some good things were done. I can safely say that during Stalin's reign it went wrong. The man wasnt really the best Peacetime leader. i cannot judge any actions undertaken during WO2 since they probably just shot everyone who had a whiff of collaboration or desertion about him, and after what the germans did in the war i'd rather have the russians shooting first and asking questions later, than make em delay their march to Berlin and the Torgau. besides this i can safely say that Stalin was not a good peacetime leader(Too suspicious of anything and anyone during his entire reign). constantly deporting anyone that does not support you has nothing to do with communism. it was supposed to be a system for the PEOPLE and not for teh Stalin. He became the next Hitler. the people had absolutely no say and whenever someone spoke out his opinion about this injustice he and his relatives got deported. The corruption ruined it, but communism was something beautiful when it began. Also i dont think that Tito and Jugoslavia were Stalin puppets. They were'nt economically dependant on russia

    I have no good word about the US in this period either. Harry Truman screwed over the balance Roosevelt worked so hard to preserve. Started an arms race by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Set the stage for US wars with satellite countries. he should have suspected that stalin (being the suspicious arse he was) would think this would be used against him. Boo to Truman and Stalin. Muppets!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    So Britain is going to fight Russia alone? Or perhaps a "secret war"?
    Air support. Naval Support. Both of Russia's related branches are poorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    They are going to spead pictures of naked Margaret Thatcher to demoralize Russian troops.
    How did you know about those?

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