Obama Open to Prosecutions in Interrogation Abuses

[Norpheus]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Gobama!
Hang them high.

[Theodotos I]

Morale in the NCS must have just plunged to record lows.

[Heinz Guderian]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Gobama!
Hang them high.

I agree. Hunt those Bush cronies down like the filthy dogs they are. Maybe do a few drive-bys ghetto style. Cos thats how The Obamaman rolls star.

[War&Politics]

I say waterboard the terrorists! Starting with Cheney...

[Gaidin]

Wow you two are jumping ahead of yourselves. Don't assume anything until the AG starts talking charges...

[Norpheus]

This is probably one of the best things Obama has ever done.

Usa is going back to what it use to be, a leader of democrasy, peace and most of all justice!

[Theodotos I]

If waterboarding were true torture, I don't think journalists would have signed up to experience it.

[Norpheus]

If waterboarding were true torture, I don't think journalists would have signed up to experience it.

If it wasnt, It wouldnt be so discussed that Bush was using it.

[Theodotos I]

If it wasnt, It wouldnt be so discussed that Bush was using it.

So discussed? What do you mean?

[Norpheus]

So discussed? What do you mean?

Afterall, when it came out that Bush used waterboarding and other tortures there was a huge roar from media and the people, and it has since then been greatly discussed.
I suggest you try it out if you think it isnt that horrible.

[Heinz Guderian]

If waterboarding were true torture, I don't think journalists would have signed up to experience it.

how long did they last? Now imagine this being done to them for much longer and 262 more times

[Theodotos I]

how long did they last? Now imagine this being done to them for much longer and 262 more times

They weren't terrorists, either.

[Heinz Guderian]

They weren't terrorists, either.

After 30 seconds of that, they would be screaming out loud "YES! YES I AM A TERRORIST! FOX NEWS IS JUST A COVER!!"

[GeneralChaos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...#Waterboarding

That's the only person I could think of off the top of my head who volunteered for waterboarding; he immediately changed his mind on the subject. It just seems to me that the people who are actually around it consider it torture more often.

If waterboarding were true torture, I don't think journalists would have signed up to experience it.

[LegionnaireX]

What exactly would these men be guilty of, exactly? As far as I know these men acted within the confines of the law at the time. Water boarding has been banned and is now a thing of the past, what good can come from trying to prosecute your own countrymen?

[Phier]

As someone who has absolutely no problem with how the past administration handled its interrogations, I hope that the Obama administration pursues this with all vigor.

This is not because I think doing so is good for Obama

[Captain Jin]

Well if you read your own article it hasn't said that Obama is doing anything.... so "The best thing he has ever done" is just being open minded about possibly prosecuting lawyers who penned the legal guidance to allow the techniques to be used? Hmm.

As for water boarding. It sucks, but we do it to our own people in SERE school. And my buddy's that have been through it said that it was terrible, but they didn't 'crack' as it were. I don't necessarily agree with it as a general technique, but I wouldn't be against it's use in some dire circumstance. The trouble is deciding when that would be. As for the other 'torture' methods, I don't think those are torture techniques at all. Sensory deprivation and the other stuff in the memos that Obama released didn't really come off as torture.

[Heinz Guderian]

Well if you read your own article it hasn't said that Obama is doing anything.... so "The best thing he has ever done" is just being open minded about possibly prosecuting lawyers who penned the legal guidance to allow the techniques to be used? Hmm.

It is a huge step up from immunity to prosecution

As for water boarding. It sucks, but we do it to our own people in SERE school. And my buddy's that have been through it said that it was terrible, but they didn't 'crack' as it were. I

Could your buddies say when to stop to the instructors?

[Captain Jin]

It is a huge step up from immunity to prosecution



Could your buddies say when to stop to the instructors?

Well I'm open to the idea of the people that enacted it. But not so much for going after operators within the CIA. It's not a job for the weak kneed, and if they are following orders and doing their jobs they shouldn't be open to a change of heart down the road. But Obama seems to think the same thing, so that's okay.

As for my buddies saying quit. No they couldn't, but I'm sure it was more intense on detainees. My friends did say that was the worst part of the stuff they got messed with on. That an being interrogated by a woman who repeatedly back handed one of my friend's mainly because he antagonized her. They also put him in a little bamboo cage the size of a small trunk so he was stuck in the fetal position for six hours, he didn't like that too much either haha. When they water boarded him they put him on his back with a burlap sack over his head.

[Heinz Guderian]

Well I'm open to the idea of the people that enacted it. But not so much for going after operators within the CIA. It's not a job for the weak kneed, and if they are following orders and doing their jobs they shouldn't be open to a change of heart down the road. But Obama seems to think the same thing, so that's okay.

But following orders has been used as a defence before without success in many post-war tribunals. Torturing a man 263 times has got to pinch the moral nerve for a CIA operative. Orders or not, beating a bound man, slamming him against a wall as well as waterboarding the emaciated sucker over a period of time must make an interragator question the validity of these orders. Perhaps i'm being a little too optimistic?

As for my buddies saying quit. No they couldn't, but I'm sure it was more intense on detainees. My friends did say that was the worst part of the stuff they got messed with on. That an being interrogated by a woman who repeatedly back handed one of my friend's mainly because he antagonized her. They also put him in a little bamboo cage the size of a small trunk so he was stuck in the fetal position for six hours, he didn't like that too much either haha. When they water boarded him they put him on his back with a burlap sack over his head.

thats pretty hard core.