Illegal Immigration in the USA

[Ron Burgundy?]

I am curious to why so many people support illegal immigration. Let me rephrase that; I am curious to why so many people support illegal immigration.

It is estimated that there are over 20 million illegal immigrants in the US today and over 2 million attempt to cross the border every year. I understand why they come here, the better living conditions, work, healthcare, etc, and I do not blame them. I hear so many who disagree with enforcing illegal immigration laws but all I ever hear them say is 'you're a racist.'
I kind of understand it from a political standpoint, Democrats tricked the public to believing they are for the lower and middles class and think they get the Latino votes because of it. Republicans think they can get the Latino votes because of the Christian values angle.

For those who do not support illegal immigration the list is endless for why, they don't pay taxes, they crowd the prisons, take jobs from legal tax paying Americans, they overcrowd and dilute our school systems, they strain the healthcare system, etc, etc, etc...

If we aren't going to enforce our borders or immigration laws, at least put up giant Naturalization Centers along the borders and make them tax paying citizens.
I want to hear what the American public has to say with the sampling being the TWCenter community.

[Каие]

I have heard of people supporting legal immigration, but never have I heard of people actually supporting illegal immigration. Perhaps the odd business man tolerates it to hire cheap workers below the minimum wage, but I don't know about actively supporting it. Actively supporting the breaking and undermining of a law?

[Arjun]

I'm an immigrant myself, and im a Liberal democrat, but i'm opposed to Illegal Immigration. I agree that there are many social and political reasons that make people migrate to America..but Illegal immigration not only does take a huge tol on the country's finances; but also encourages "freeloading". I believe that the illegal immigrants; if they do have valid reasons to migrate to America should at least be forced to pay taxes....otherwise we end up paying for their sake.


There are many countries in the world from where people migrate to America. Most of them who come here come in the legal manner are those from outside the Americas(i believe the vast majority of illegal immigrants are from our southern border nations). The legal immigrants have done a lot for this country...half of the Silicon valley workers are immigrants and so are half the new startups in this country. These people contribute a lot to this country. What irks me is the law passed/being advocated in some states that would allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition ...I believe that this is a travesty of justice.


years ago i was a foreighn student here in America..i had to pay exorbitant international student tuition fees to study here...and as an international student i was not able to work-outside campus either...and even on-campus employment was severely limited. These illegal immigrants are able to work in the country....some of them do not even pay taxes...yet they are asking to pay in state-tuition fees as opposed to non-resident ones?. This is a travesty of justice. Not only is this unfair but it also penalizes people who did things the legal way. Why would anyone want to pay extra when they see people who break the law get rewarded for it?


The immigration policy should be revamped...not only would this alleviate the burdens put on the American taxpayer; but it would even protect the rights of the illegal immigrants who are sometimes exploited by people here who take advantage of their legal situation. While i support migration i think it ought to be in a sustainable and legal manner that benefits everyone...and does not negatively affect people who are law abiding

[Scar Face]

I have heard of people supporting legal immigration, but never have I heard of people actually supporting illegal immigration. Perhaps the odd business man tolerates it to hire cheap workers below the minimum wage, but I don't know about actively supporting it. Actively supporting the breaking and undermining of a law?

Obama supports it.

[Arjun]

Obama supports it.

lol and the republicans did not? Who were actively pushing for naturalizing illegal aliens? hello?

forgot what Reagen did ?

[Каие]

Obama supports it.

You mean McCain.

[Scar Face]

You mean McCain.

No, I mean Obama. That doesn't mean McCain is not for it, but it means, that my post was centered and focused on Obama's support, rather than every theoretical individual. Which btw, you just answered the question of your own post; "who supports illegal immigration".

[Ron Burgundy?]

So it seems only politicians support it for their own political gains. So why are there protests anytime border security is raised or American citizens take it into their own hand (the minutemen or whatever they were called) ?

[Каие]

No, I mean Obama. That doesn't mean McCain is not for it, but it means, that my post was centered and focused on Obama's support, rather than every theoretical individual. Which btw, you just answered the question of your own post; "who supports illegal immigration".

I don't think Obama supports Illegal Immigration. Unless you can prove it of course.

[Bovril]

If I had a large farm in the southern US, I would love illegal immigration. But that's probably not what you were talking about.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Where are we going to get 20 million people looking for jobs if we deport them all. We say Americans, but will a mid-level manager at a business who just got laid off really want to move to Texas to do manual labor picking beans all day....no.

That's all I have to say to people who want to deport all of them. I have no other real opinion on the matter besides that.

[Ron Burgundy?]

Where are we going to get 20 million people looking for jobs if we deport them all. We say Americans, but will a mid-level manager at a business who just got laid off really want to move to Texas to do manual labor picking beans all day....no.

That's all I have to say to people who want to deport all of them. I have no other real opinion on the matter besides that.

I just want them to pay taxes and pay for healtcare like I do. And learn English.

[Tiberius Tosi]

I just want them to pay taxes and pay for healtcare like I do. And learn English.

English will come in time. Like many European immigrants, the parents hang on to the language and the kids learn English. If immigration stops right this second, spanish speaking immigrants will be dead in 3 generations, they will all speak English then. As for taxes and healthcare, well, yeah that one is a , I don't know much there.

[DekuTrash]

Lock down that damn border already

[B5C]

English will come in time. Like many European immigrants, the parents hang on to the language and the kids learn English. If immigration stops right this second, spanish speaking immigrants will be dead in 3 generations, they will all speak English then. As for taxes and healthcare, well, yeah that one is a , I don't know much there.

I don't really know if Spanish will be stop at the 3rd generation. I live in a highly Mexican immigrant area. The 3rd generation are still speaking Spanish. Also majority of the Mexicans who live year speak and/or understand English, but they don't want to use it.

Why learn English if the local, state, federal governments, schools, and business are unofficially supporting Spanish and English as the de facto language of the United States.

[Phier]

It won't be changed, because no one has the balls to piss off the Hispanic vote.

Back in the medical seminar several years ago I was sitting in front of a Hispanic woman, a fellow doctor. We were talking about bone structure and the like in terms of facial reconstructions, and one thing we need to know our racial differences in terms of facial structures. Well I'm not to get too technical with this.

Anyways long story short, the speaker mentioned the rise of the Hispanic population in the United States, and how fast it was growing. The Hispanic woman behind me whispered under her breath, "were slowly taking over". It pissed me off, mostly because she is correct.

The only way this issue would be resolved, would be a radical shift in government, and that's just not going to happen.

It's time to learn Spanish.

[B5C]

It's time to learn Spanish.

Hell no, I told me employers before. I will NEVER learn Spanish to keep Mexican customers happy. Even if it cost me a job. It's worse now that ALL of our trucks have "Hable español" painted on our trucks. Now everyone of them expects us to now Spanish.

I remember the day we used to get a pay raise for know both languages, but now every company expects us to know Spanish.

[Wilder]

Well, in a round about sort of way I support illegal immigration. I do not condone the breaking of US laws, so in that respect I am very much against it, but unlike the majority of the US I do not see the immigrants themselves as the source of the problem. Rather I think the laws that make immigration to the US very difficult are. Of course this is not the civil rights movement, and breaking those laws are no solution. Rather I think the better solution is to make a realistic assessment of the problems and benefits of having a high legal Mexican influx. In my opinion the problems are real, but nothing that a prepared US could not deal with, and the benefits are really quite big. If I am going to be totally honest though I rally do not know (and frankly, I don't think anyone on this forum does either), so naturally that point is about as debatable as they come.

There are certain sub-issues in the whole debacle though that I feel quite strongly about, though. For instance the legality of higher level education for highly talented illegals. here in Oregon they are trying to push through an act that will legalize state "ability" education grants for illegals that were brought into the country beneath the age of 5 (I think). I can not really understand why anyone will be opposed to this, other then fundamentally being against state scholarships. It is not like anyone under the age of 5 willfully broke the law, and if they are smart and hard working enough why not let them stay? Their tax dollars will shortly pay for themselves. Even from a totally nationalistic perspective, is is a good thing. We are practically STEALING Mexico's best and brightest. I knew a number of people in high school that where caught in that bind. One girl, who was 17 at the time, had an internship with a scientific oceanographic vessel, scored perfect scores on SAT and the international baccalaureate physics test, had awesome grades, and was a champion coxswain for the crew team. She was the sort of person that is much more deserving to be an American than me, bum that I am. And yet she could not afford college.

On the other end of the spectrum however if an illegal resident is caught braking the law, send them back. No reason to think about it.

In the end for me it boils down to free market ideals: free movement of capital, free movement of goods, free movement of ideas, free movement of people. Idealistic, sure, but thats is what ideals are for: to reach for. If locals feel they are being underbid, well that's capitalism. If we rally want to get on even footing with the Mexicans, then take away the crutch that their employers lean on, don't let them blackmail them with threats of deportation. It will be a short matter of time before they are clamoring for higher wages and benefits, and then natives will start to look much more economically feasible to employ.

I will NEVER learn Spanish

I have a feeling we will be roommates under the same bridge one of these days. I really wish less Americans took this attitude, I think our relative decline could be stopped.

[DekuTrash]

Even though I speak some spanish naturally (mexican-basque) I refuse to accomadate those damn illegals in this country.In France they expect you to know french in Japan, japanese.It should be no different here that the native tongue be spoken, English.I don't give a damn that the American southwest use to belong to Mexico, GET OVER IT.I don't hear the the British whining about losing their land,or the French or the Spanish or the Russians.
It is very true that a majority of those illegals and their children do not see themselves as American,but when things turn on them how quick are they to whip out American flags and start singing the anthem in Spanish?
God I hate them, hopefully one day soon people will start wo wake up and realize something needs to be done.

[2-D Ron]

Well, in a round about sort of way I support illegal immigration. I do not condone the breaking of US laws, so in that respect I am very much against it, but unlike the majority of the US I do not see the immigrants themselves as the source of the problem. Rather I think the laws that make immigration to the US very difficult are. Of course this is not the civil rights movement, and breaking those laws are no solution. Rather I think the better solution is to make a realistic assessment of the problems and benefits of having a high legal Mexican influx. In my opinion the problems are real, but nothing that a prepared US could not deal with, and the benefits are really quite big. If I am going to be totally honest though I rally do not know (and frankly, I don't think anyone on this forum does either), so naturally that point is about as debatable as they come.

There are certain sub-issues in the whole debacle though that I feel quite strongly about, though. For instance the legality of higher level education for highly talented illegals. here in Oregon they are trying to push through an act that will legalize state "ability" education grants for illegals that were brought into the country beneath the age of 5 (I think). I can not really understand why anyone will be opposed to this, other then fundamentally being against state scholarships. It is not like anyone under the age of 5 willfully broke the law, and if they are smart and hard working enough why not let them stay? Their tax dollars will shortly pay for themselves. Even from a totally nationalistic perspective, is is a good thing. We are practically STEALING Mexico's best and brightest. I knew a number of people in high school that where caught in that bind. One girl, who was 17 at the time, had an internship with a scientific oceanographic vessel, scored perfect scores on SAT and the international baccalaureate physics test, had awesome grades, and was a champion coxswain for the crew team. She was the sort of person that is much more deserving to be an American than me, bum that I am. And yet she could not afford college.

On the other end of the spectrum however if an illegal resident is caught braking the law, send them back. No reason to think about it.

In the end for me it boils down to free market ideals: free movement of capital, free movement of goods, free movement of ideas, free movement of people. Idealistic, sure, but thats is what ideals are for: to reach for. If locals feel they are being underbid, well that's capitalism. If we rally want to get on even footing with the Mexicans, then take away the crutch that their employers lean on, don't let them blackmail them with threats of deportation. It will be a short matter of time before they are clamoring for higher wages and benefits, and then natives will start to look much more economically feasible to employ.



I have a feeling we will be roommates under the same bridge one of these days. I really wish less Americans took this attitude, I think our relative decline could be stopped.

They will never learn Spanish, they'd just rather mutilate the English Language instead.