If I see another Gentleman or Priest I am going to explode!

**Lord Leopold** · April 19, 2009, 11:22 AM

Ok I have had enough of these gent's running around in my regions. Four of them from one faction are sitting in my region right next to my capital. Sweden takes forever to make their turn due to one Gent just running back and forth into Denmark's school.

I figured I would just kill that gent and the turn would go back to normal. Wrong! I lost three Gents in a row. I find this also to be happening with priests or whatever you want to call them.

gents are worthless to me except for when you have them in schools. Their dueling just stinks. I cannot even kill a priest with a rake.

CA needs to find away to make gents and rakes more affective because for the AI they seem to be doing something. The AI loves to spam the map with gents and Preists. I hardly ever see a Rake from the AI? Why is this?

**Varaaki** · April 19, 2009, 12:04 PM

If you could see enemy rakes, it would be easier to kill them. They're covert agents, you're not supposed to see them.

**Lord Leopold** · April 19, 2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Varaaki

If you could see enemy rakes, it would be easier to kill them. They're covert agents, you're not supposed to see them.

Aha that's why.

**♔GrinningManiac♔** · April 19, 2009, 01:54 PM

there is a mod called "The Leauge of Extrodinary Gentlemen" in development, which not only improves the chances of Gent dueling, but gives it a better purpose.

Off the top of my head:

Generals now gain the military research traits and do military tech research, gents do the other two.

Gents can duel Generals and captains (heads of units). Generals and Captains are better swordsmen, Gents better with guns.

...and some other stuff.

looks good

**Pent uP Rage** · April 19, 2009, 01:59 PM

If the priests are of the same religion, just leave them alone.

If not, and you just can't seem to kill them, you can drive them out with two or three single low cost units. Just move your units up next to him and start pushing him out while alternating the moving units. It takes a bit of practice as sometimes they like to simply swap spaces.

**Hannibolico** · April 19, 2009, 04:31 PM

Gentlemen are pretty useful for stealing tech sometimes. If you're persistent and choose the right targets they can really move your technology forward quite quickly. That's probably what the CPU is doing to your schools.

**Yodarkore** · April 19, 2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bluebonn

Sweden takes forever to make their turn due to one Gent just running back and forth into Denmark's school.

One cheap solution to shorter AI turn is to turn off option "see AI movement" in "Game settings" menu (available both in campaign map and game's start screen).

I had the problem in previous TW games when all my territory was covered with a watchtower network: AI moving trough my empire or getting in and out of their cities in sight of any tower, was making turns takes soooo long. I switched this option off and turn length was considerably improved, thus leaving a kind of "fog of war" when i forgot for a turn to watch if anyone came in my territory...

You wont miss much by turning this option out since even the map is larger in ETW (more theaters), regions are so big and any army moving trough it will be spotted. Just dont forget to check your schools being "infected" by enemy gents to prevent tech stealing, and everything will doing fine.

**P|A|ntZ** · April 20, 2009, 10:37 AM

Also, don't forget to use the SPACEBAR to toggle accelerated campaign map animations, if AI turns are too long for your taste. Much better than watching agents, fleets and armies crawl at their slow speed. Don't forget to turn it off as you start your next turn (hit SPACEBAR again) or your units will move quickly on the campaign map too, which can be tricky to manage with intercepts and the like.

**Lord Leopold** · April 20, 2009, 05:30 PM

I have a hard time turning off AI moves. I want to see actually whats going on especially with my allies. So I can make the correct move when needed. I finally used some Rakes to their full potential. I just kept hitting farms and such until they got good traits.

With the rakes I have now been able to put a hurting on Poland.

Gents I am still having issues with. I usually lose a Duel and have not been able to steal any Tech's just yet.

I just leave them in my schools. Four times I tried to kill a Poland gent and lost.

I know the AI is not that smart but with the mods I am using it atleast makes the battles and campaign enjoyable.

**HawkDreams** · April 20, 2009, 08:26 PM

How about several priests? Hee Hee!

Sorry, I have tried resisting temptation, but it just did not work!

**Lord Leopold** · April 20, 2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by HawkDreams

How about several priests? Hee Hee!

Sorry, I have tried resisting temptation, but it just did not work!

LOL yea that's another one that bugs me.

**HawkDreams** · April 20, 2009, 09:08 PM

In all seriousness, you generally wont see a rake unless he gets spotted doing his duty. The AI generally focus' on one building or maybe 2 and every time you repair them they sabotage it again. When this happens, put one of your Rakes into the building and wait. The next time he gets caught they will execute him. As for Gentlemen, every time you see one enter your school it was to duel or steal technology. If you dont lose a gentleman it was a "no kill" duel or a tech theft attempt. The AI does this to try to slow your research. The Priests are used for creating unrest. The best way to counter this is to keeo 2 churches in your province where you can and when you can keep a priest there. If they have no negative effect, they go away to somewhere they do. It is part of the AI programming.

Now, if you would like to use your Rake, start building him by sabotaging buildings and infiltrating and then move up to assassinations. Each successful mission gains him experience.