variety of weapons in a unit

[clone]

something that i dont like very much is that every units use only one weapons.for example every units even a levie will have sword the spearmen will have spears.in ancient battles only the elite were deploed in thaat way.in a barbarian unit (80men)you could findin the same unit spearmen,swordmen and other melee weapons.you could find in another unit archer,slingers and more.every unit had diferent equipment.even other faction used this for levies and town gardian units.will this be possible in the game

[DisgruntledGoat]

Its possible so long as the weapons use the same animation set. For example you could do long swords, short swords, maces, axes etc all in a single unit. But having to different animations for the units is impossible. So you can't have a unit with swords and spears.

[jmrc]

Its possible so long as the weapons use the same animation set. For example you could do long swords, short swords, maces, axes etc all in a single unit. But having to different animations for the units is impossible. So you can't have a unit with swords and spears.

We have tweaked the strike_distances in the DS file to make effects like: front rank elements fighting with secondary weapons while back ranks elements fight with primary weapons. So, in practice, we can have both types (ex: sword and spear) fighting with different weapons and animation families.

[eddy_purpus]

I'm more concerned about the fact that you don't know Kermit the Frog and called him a turtle.

We have tweaked the strike_distances in the DS file to make effects like: front rank elements fighting with secondary weapons while back ranks elements fight with primary weapons. So, in practice, we can have both types (ex: sword and spear) fighting with different weapons and animation families.

O really ?
you guys already tested it out ?

[jmrc]

O really ? you guys already tested it out ?

Yes, we did and it works fine. However, not all units will have that method of fighting, since we want to give them emphasis in their primary weapons.

[eddy_purpus]

Yes, we did and it works fine. However, not all units will have that method of fighting, since we want to give them emphasis in their primary weapons.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

[King Kong]

We have tweaked the strike_distances in the DS file to make effects like: front rank elements fighting with secondary weapons while back ranks elements fight with primary weapons. So, in practice, we can have both types (ex: sword and spear) fighting with different weapons and animation families.

Awesome, that could enable some great possibilties!

Would you mind to tell me what you have changed exactly in the DS file to make this possible?
I would really like to try this out for one unit for TATW and if it could made possible, the credit for the idea would got to you guys, of course.

[jmrc]

Well, I believe this is something already known: reducing the strike_distances of the short-range melee weapons to very low values and having the medium-range melee weapons with somewhat higher values allows for that effect. For example, you can set the swords anim family to:

type  MTW2_Swordsman
parent  MTW2_Mace
remove_attack_anims
strike_distances 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1.0

While the spears anim family has:

type  MTW2_Spear
strike_distances 1.40 2.20 3.2 3.5 4.0

It's important to keep in mind that the units charge with their secondary weapons, when switch to the primary weapons (if they are melee) right after contact and then get back to the secondary weapons if the strike_distances are appropriate. It doesn't matter which is the primary or the secondary weapons (spears or swords), that effect is always the same. Also, you need to wait some moments to see them switching the weapons and getting the effect that I described. I also noticed that many soldiers that ran too deep into the enemy ranks didn't even switch to the primary weapons, which was very interesting (perhaps being surrounded negated any possibility of triggering the spears' strike_distances?)

[eddy_purpus]

I might do what the green turtle did in ur avatar disGoat

[dutch musketeer]

I might do what the green turtle did in ur avatar disGoat

ROFL

[eggthief]

I might do what the green turtle did in ur avatar disGoat

I'm more concerned about the fact that you don't know Kermit the Frog and called him a turtle.

[Hektor27]

I thought you can assign different weapons in primary and secondary weapon slots. A spear as the primary weapon and a sword as the secondary weapon can create a lot of visual variations in combat, but of course such unit is undesirable in term of combat role (a mix of spears and swords is neither effective against infantry nor cavalry)

[clone]

I thought you can assign different weapons in primary and secondary weapon slots. A spear as the primary weapon and a sword as the secondary weapon can create a lot of visual variations in combat, but of course such unit is undesirable in term of combat role (a mix of spears and swords is neither effective against infantry nor cavalry)

thats the point.levies and other units that were called in emergency situasion was not the perpose to win but to fight

[Ludens]

I thought you can assign different weapons in primary and secondary weapon slots. A spear as the primary weapon and a sword as the secondary weapon can create a lot of visual variations in combat, but of course such unit is undesirable in term of combat role (a mix of spears and swords is neither effective against infantry nor cavalry)

An EB member posted that although there will be some variation in weapons within a unit, there will be no weapons with different stats (e.g. longswords and shortswords) put in the same weapon slot of a unit.

[oudysseos]

There is a possible solution for the sword/spear problem, but I honestly don't know the details or how it would work. Obviously it would be ideal for units that historically did have more than one weapon (hoplites, theurops, etc.) to have them in game, so if it's possible we will do that. I don't know if that's what clone was asking.

[eddy_purpus]

There is a possible solution for the sword/spear problem, but I honestly don't know the details or how it would work. Obviously it would be ideal for units that historically did have more than one weapon (hoplites, theurops, etc.) to have them in game, so if it's possible we will do that. I don't know if that's what clone was asking.

Oddyseus!!
Well , whats more interesting ?
The spear /sword bug ?
or th EB team always trying to solve those mysteries and then replace them with something very good afterwards ?
lololol

[Prussian Iron]

I thought you can assign different weapons in primary and secondary weapon slots. A spear as the primary weapon and a sword as the secondary weapon can create a lot of visual variations in combat, but of course such unit is undesirable in term of combat role (a mix of spears and swords is neither effective against infantry nor cavalry)

and then again there is another issue: what abilities or classification would you assign a multi-arms unit? i mean, if you had guys with spears and guys with scimitars in the same unit, then do you give it spear bonuses or sword bonuses? thats i think why it would probably be done with barbarian town guards or something like that; they wouldnt have bonuses anyway.

however i would like to see a unit of, say, axemen with long axes, short axes, wood-chopping axes, maybe even halberds. they would all have the same animation.

basically if it is the same animations (like short axes and flails, or gladius' and xiphos') then there's no reason it would be kept out other than the EB team giving it the go ahead or the boot.

-Prussian Iron

[Prussian Iron]

i thought that exact same thing before.....

[SigniferOne]

Excedllent little discovery jmrc!

In hindsight it should have been so simple!

[Boyar Son]

i think Invasio Barbarorum II has done this for some of there barbarians units.