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    Can it be? No, it can't be.


    Revealed: Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking

    Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.
    The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.
    Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.
    However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.
    East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades".
    Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.
    "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.
    The melting of sea ice -- fast ice and pack ice -- does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.
    Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.
    Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.
    Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.
    "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off -- I'm talking 100km or 200km long -- every 10 or 20 or 50 years."
    Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.
    A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

    Article From: The Australian
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...83-601,00.html

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    And liberals descend on this thread in....3...2....1...

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    Interesting

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    And liberals descend on this thread in....3...2....1...
    What should we say O Master of Wit?

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    I think this has been known for a while. Hence they changed it to "Global Climate Change", because "Global Warming" was obviously losing ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    I think this has been known for a while. Hence they changed it to "Global Climate Change", because "Global Warming" was obviously losing ground.
    yes obviously not because global warming can ironically lead to climate change that will cool the earth


    as for the point of the article. So what if ice is forming in east Antarctica it is still rapidly melting in the west

    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    And that East Antarctica's ice is actually thicker than it use to be?
    did you read that it was "the thickest in 10 years" and the only proof that it was getting thicker was one reading from the 50's. All this article proves is the fact that some time in the 50's the ice was thinner than today and sometime between the 50 and today it was thicker than it is today. i am guessing it is a cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlinggra View Post
    as for the point of the article. So what if ice is forming in east Antarctica it is still rapidly melting in the west
    Where did the 'rapidly' come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    I think this has been known for a while. Hence they changed it to "Global Climate Change", because "Global Warming" was obviously losing ground.
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    I thought they changed it from Global Warming cause loads of people thought that sounded quite pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasey View Post
    I thought they changed it from Global Warming cause loads of people thought that sounded quite pleasant.
    Yeah, largely because of this video, which was posted in a different thread earlier.

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    Did anybody read the bit where they said that west antarctica was losing ice? Nobody was really worried about east Antarctica, which is a stable, largely-land based ice sheet. The real threats are west Antarctica and Greenland, both of which have been undergoing considerable melting. Plenty of west Antarctic ice shelves have collapsed already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fishman View Post
    Did anybody read the bit where they said that west antarctica was losing ice? Nobody was really worried about east Antarctica, which is a stable, largely-land based ice sheet. The real threats are west Antarctica and Greenland, both of which have been undergoing considerable melting. Plenty of west Antarctic ice shelves have collapsed already.
    Did you read the part where it said West Antarctica losing ice was a common occurrence and has been for as long as they know? And that East Antarctica's ice is actually thicker than it use to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Did you read the part where it said West Antarctica losing ice was a common occurrence and has been for as long as they know?
    They didn't. They said that large iceberg carvings may not be unusual there.
    An entire ice shelf simply disintegrating (as in Larsen B) is more than simply a large iceberg carving.

    And that East Antarctica's ice is actually thicker than it use to be?
    Yes I did, but I didn't need to since I already knew that. Growth in east Antarctica in no way undermines science. In fact, higher temperatures could result in more precipitation, and paradoxically more ice growth.
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    Goody. Does this mean we can go back to ignoring the environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Goody. Does this mean we can go back to ignoring the environment?
    Some of us never quit, so nothing to go back to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Playfishpaste View Post
    Um, no, it's global warming, and it's been global warming since the dawn of earth the 1970s.
    You might want to look up all the Global Cooling stuff from the 70s...Same people you see today, spouting all their "scientific" information about how the earth was about to freeze into the next ice age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    Some of us never quit, so nothing to go back to.
    So I can safely buy an SUV this fall and not destroy the planet? Excellent.

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to shoehorn three car seats into a PT cruiser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    So I can safely buy an SUV this fall and not destroy the planet? Excellent.
    I bought one two years ago, and my SS only gets about 5 mpg lol

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to shoehorn three car seats into a PT cruiser?
    When I was younger we had a car smaller than that, so yeah I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    You might want to look up all the Global Cooling stuff from the 70s...Same people you see today, spouting all their "scientific" information about how the earth was about to freeze into the next ice age.
    I'm not sure, but is this the myth your are referring to...


    I strongly suggest those who wish to find facts not opinions watch the rest of the videos of youtube user Potholer54 "Climate Change" play list

    Or
    Read This

    In particular here
    Why is Western Antarctica losing ice mass while East Antarctica is relatively steady. The hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole causes cooling in the stratosphere. This increases circular winds around the continent preventing warmer air from reaching east Antarctica and the Antarctic plateau.
    A more recent article.

    Now admittedly they are not from a peer reviewed academic site, but if you feel they are wrong, find a source discrediting their points that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cúchulainn View Post
    I'm not sure, but is this the myth your are referring to...
    Actually its not a myth, and no that is not what I was referring to. You posted a video of someone with a predisposition towards global warming to "analyze" someone elses article. His bias is clearly present.

    Read some stuff like this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    http://www.climatecooling.org/
    The southern hemisphere has been cooling over the last 10 years, just about as much as the north has been warming. There is no proof within observational data of warming outside of natural variation.
    Complete with worldwide temperature and CO2 readings, not the random mumblings of someone taking apart an article written by someone who is not a scientist.

    Or since nobody likes Fox because they are "biased" how about a CNN interview.
    http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...114065138.aspx

    D’Aleo’s organization, ICECAP, is one of 33 groups co-sponsoring The Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change
    According to D’Aleo, the spike in NOAA climate data is a result of location changes where the data is recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    You might want to look up all the Global Cooling stuff from the 70s...Same people you see today, spouting all their "scientific" information about how the earth was about to freeze into the next ice age.
    nobody ever believe the earth was about to freeze into an ice age in the 70's. Please stop listening to Rush Limbaug's arguments that scientists have been wrong before therefore they are wrong today.
    In the 70's about 1 out of every 4 climate scientist believed greenhouse and carbon gasses would lead to global cooling. This was printed in time magazine (not a science journal) as scientists believe in a new ice age.

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