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    The US government is to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, having decided that it and five other greenhouse gases may endanger human health and well-being.

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced the move following a review of the scientific evidence.

    The decision marks a major change from the Bush presidency, when the EPA argued it could not regulate CO2 because the gas was not a pollutant.

    Developing countries have asked for the US to show leadership on climate.

    Many are not prepared to curtail their own emissions without firm indications that the US is willing to make significant reductions.

    This reclaims the US role on the international stage as a leader
    Phyllis Cuttino
    Pew Environment Group

    Carbon-cutting legislation is being proposed in Congress, but the EPA decision - known as an "endangerment finding" - will allow the agency to mandate some cuts without waiting for the draft bills to become law.

    "This finding confirms that greenhouse gas pollution is a serious problem now and for future generations," said EPA administrator Lisa Jackson.

    "Fortunately, it follows President Obama's call for a low-carbon economy and strong leadership in Congress on clean energy and climate legislation; and... the solution is one that will create millions of green jobs and end our country's dependence on foreign oil."

    'Disproportionate impacts'

    In 2007, the Supreme Court instructed the agency to review the evidence on climate change with a view to reconsidering its stance on the possible threats of climate change.

    In the endangerment finding, the EPA now cites a number of impacts that it believes may impact significantly on US citizens, including:

    * an increased risk of droughts and floods
    * sea level rise
    * more intense storms and heatwaves
    * harm to water supplies, agriculture and wildlife

    Ms Jackson concluded that these impacts would fall disproportionately on people who were poor or in ill health, and on indigenous groups.

    The EPA quoted a 2007 report by a group of retired generals and admirals who said that climate change presented "national security challenges" for the US.
    Lisa Jackson
    Lisa Jackson said Mr Obama would prefer new legislation on climate

    Environmental groups said this was the latest sign that the Obama administration is taking a very different line on climate change from its predecessor.

    "This reclaims the US role on the international stage as a leader," said Phyllis Cuttino, director of the US global warming programme at the Pew Environment Group in Washington DC.

    "The EPA's next step will probably be to grant the 'California waiver', which would allow states to restrict tailpipe emissions, and that we expect to happen very soon," she told BBC News.

    Under the Bush administration, the agency denied California the right to set targets for vehicle efficiency, for which it needed a waiver from federal law.

    At least 15 states plan to follow California's lead.

    The EPA's decision now goes out to public consultation. The agency says it will "conduct an appropriate process and consider stakeholder input" before imposing restrictions on any part of the economy.

    The endangerment finding also empowers the EPA to regulate the other five greenhouse gases included in the Kyoto Protocol - methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulphur hexafluoride
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8004975.stm

    More taxes.
    I've read on places like infowars(so called "conspiracey theorie websites"), that this has been in the making for years.
    It has not even been scientifically prooven is this is a poolutant or not!
    Whens the madness going to end?

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    I've read on places that your a lizardman and we shouldn't listen to you.

    I am going to hijack this topic so we can discuss the Obama administration's move to declare Carbon Dioxide emissions a threat to human health sensibly. I welcome the move, which is years overdue, and I hope it signifies that we can expect moves to reach a climate deal later this year and that states such as California will finally be able to bring in productive environmental legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    I've read on places that your a lizardman and we shouldn't listen to you.

    I am going to hijack this topic so we can discuss the Obama administration's move to declare Carbon Dioxide emissions a threat to human health sensibly. I welcome the move, which is years overdue, and I hope it signifies that we can expect moves to reach a climate deal later this year and that states such as California will finally be able to bring in productive environmental legislation.
    i agree this is good news indeed.

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    What environmental legislation ferrets? I'm pretty sure California's already got plenty, what do you expect them to do, ban anything and everything other than organic burlap clothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulyaoth View Post
    What environmental legislation ferrets? I'm pretty sure California's already got plenty, what do you expect them to do, ban anything and everything other than organic burlap clothing?
    Considering it a danger to human health opens several avenues for legislators to operate, quoth Radio 4.

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    I am going to hijack this topic so we can discuss the Obama administration's move to declare Carbon Dioxide emissions a threat to human health sensibly. I welcome the move, which is years overdue, and I hope it signifies that we can expect moves to reach a climate deal later this year and that states such as California will finally be able to bring in productive environmental legislation.
    You know California already has legislation on this right. Not that it matters if your goal is to reduce emissions, companies simply move next door, be it a state or perhaps another country. Case in point, Arizona.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    So again, what are they supposed to do, ban all industry and machines that produce CO2? I believe they already have the strictest emission laws of any state, I don't see how Obama saying that CO2 is bad for you will change anything for what they do. Why did you specifically mention California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulyaoth View Post
    So again, what are they supposed to do, ban all industry and machines that produce CO2? I believe they already have the strictest emission laws of any state, I don't see how Obama saying that CO2 is bad for you will change anything for what they do. Why did you specifically mention California?
    Because he has no idea what he is talking about.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulyaoth View Post
    So again, what are they supposed to do, ban all industry and machines that produce CO2? I believe they already have the strictest emission laws of any state, I don't see how Obama saying that CO2 is bad for you will change anything for what they do. Why did you specifically mention California?
    Only because it was the example given by the BBC.

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    Only because it was the example given by the BBC.
    I'm just curious, do you have a link?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    No, radio is a media not traditionally shared through forums, but I am sure the bbc will have an article on their website if you wish to find it.

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    This one almost beats the Texas terror state one!

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    No, radio is a media not traditionally shared through forums, but I am sure the bbc will have an article on their website if you wish to find it.
    So you heard it on the radio in passing and your end conclusion is that california can not impose carbon regulations/ tax without Obama's say so?

    The only thing you could have possibly heard are the interstate agreements on cap and trade. But since we do have a congress and interstate jurisdiction belongs to the congress, any interstate agreement of this magnitude (such as cap and trade and internet taxation), which California is apart of one, would require amending the constitution and Obama would have nothing to really do with it anyhow. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell you even heard. I'm not doubting that you didn't hear something about Obama and California, it's just your interpretation seems a bit fudged.
    Last edited by JP226; April 17, 2009 at 02:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    So you heard it on the radio in passing and your end conclusion is that california can not impose carbon regulations/ tax without Obama's say so?
    I have no idea how you came to this summary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginge51 View Post
    Whens the madness going to end?
    2010 if we are lucky.
    2012 otherwise
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

    My shameful truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    2010 if we are lucky.
    2012 otherwise
    Hahaha, you keep thinking that.

    Out of curiosity, in your fantasy world where the Republicans come back to save t3h Planetz in 2012, who is the presidential candidate? Sarah Palin? Glenn Beck?

    Why not just make it Stephen Colbert, at least he is intentionally hilarious rather than unintentionally like the rest of those morons.

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    maybe if you would take more than just a second to actually better explain yourself than an off the cuff remark trying to sound like you know what the hell you are talking about, I wouldn't have to come to those conclusions.

    Anyway, what you are talking about is the California Waiver and restructuring EPA standards for cars' emissions across states. The way I understand it now is that there is a flat requirement and states want the ability to adjust their own standards. I'm not quite sure what the fed has to do with the issues or any legal grounds as to why states haven't already done this. It sounds like a legal cluster b/c this isn't federal domain yet the EPA seems to have the final say so. And if it were an interstate issue, which is possible, the executive still has no business. It's the same with things like the FCC FDA and the blurring of responsibilities.

    On the econmic side, It's amusing that we're trying to save the car companies from all these losses and now our big bright idea is to raise the price.
    Last edited by JP226; April 17, 2009 at 03:13 PM.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Or you could just not rush to conclusions.

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    Or you could just not rush to conclusions.
    Interesting coming from you.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Okay since when was CO2 a pollutant
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