give_trait help with 4 names

**MrVoila** · April 15, 2009, 07:35 PM

Hey everyone. I'm trying to get rid of a particularly annoying flaccid trait on one of my FMs, but I can't seem to get the name entered correctly in the RomeShell. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The character's name as seen in EB is Cnaevs Cornelivs Scipio Asina.
I've tried a bunch of different combinations, but I can't get it right.
Thanks.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · April 15, 2009, 07:54 PM

The Romans have a very complicated naming system. Their visible and internal names differ. For all Romans, the last name is "Romanvs". Their first name could be different names based on their first. For example, Cnaevs could be "Cnaevs", "CnaevsA", "CnaevsB", "CnaevsC" ...all the way to... "CnaevsK".

There is no way of finding out what the guys name is but trial and error. I would suggest moving him a bit and then testing his name by using the character_reset cheat to see which name resets his movepoints.

**MrVoila** · April 15, 2009, 08:20 PM

Oh.... I read that all last names were Romanvs, but I thought that was just for 1.0 and 1.1. Hm... so it's somehow a combination of any number of those 4 names and Romanvs as the last.

I used the character_reset, and plain old "Cnaevs Romanvs" reset his move points, but when used as give_trait, it affects ANOTHER Cnaevs Romanvs.... weird...
I find it hard to believe that my 2 Cnaevs' have the same internal name as did others who asked this type of question. I literally tried CnaevsA through CnaevsZ and nothing worked....

Should I be entering exactly like this?:
give_trait "CnaevsA Romanvs" "Fertile" ? (with A substituted for whatever letter would work)

One more question... I have read in 2 different threads that for 3 names, it is entered into RomeShell as Firstmiddle Last and also First Middlelast.... which is correct?

**Mediolanicus** · April 16, 2009, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by MrVoila

One more question... I have read in 2 different threads that for 3 names, it is entered into RomeShell as Firstmiddle Last and also First Middlelast.... which is correct?

First Middlelast.

Firstmiddle Last was for the Romani in EB 0.74 and 0.8x

It is possible to have two Fm with the same internal name. Only one will be affected by your cheats.Nothing you can do about that, except sending the affected FM to a suicide battle.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · April 16, 2009, 02:12 PM

I believe the traits you want are EBFertile, the vanilla Fertile traits are still in there but don't have any effect anymore, IIRC. The "flaccid" trait may be in an entirely different set of traits, though. Keep in mind that Fertility is only a relative trait when compared with your other family members. If you give I guy fertility, it will make him have children at the cost of another family member but not increase your overall birthrate.

**MrVoila** · April 16, 2009, 11:39 PM

Darn... I'm really OCD about certain little things... and I can't continue to play without being able to get rid of that trait... oh well. If anything new comes up, please do tell. Thanks!

My main question I guess is this... If anyone would be so kind as to start up a new 1.2EB Romani campaign, you can plainly see there are two Cnaevs'. Short and sweet, I need to know how to edit the Cnaevs Asina...

By the way... when you say LvcivsA or LvcivsB, do you literally mean the letter A or B or do those stand for another name?

-Here's hoping that someone can help me so that I can get back to playing.

**Revan The Great** · April 19, 2009, 05:59 PM

It could be that at some point between the first and second turn appeared another character, or captain, or even agent out there with the name Cnaevs. Perhaps the game takes the most recent Cnaevs and applies CnaevsA to him? Also be careful when you type it in that you aren't accidentally switching the 'a' and 'e' around and making it Cneavs on accident...I've done it about three times trying to write this post >_>

I'm 99% sure that names don't change internally during gameplay, not only would it make little sense but its also logical considering how if 'Mithridates Kianos' becomes 'Mithridates the Great' you still need to use 'Mithridates Kianos' to move him.

**Gaius of the Eagles** · April 19, 2009, 11:54 PM

What if you change the names from these folders?
data/descr_names.txt with data/text/names.txt...
All you have to do is replace those "Appivs" up to the last with "Appivsaccivs" then up to its last also...
You dont need to guess from A to Z but be aware of the characters with same names or change all of Romani names to the SPQR names, try it, but if you have some mods in your Rome Total War like Res Gestae, there can be a lot more easier character cheating.
For best results, try changing the names of Romani with the Senate of Res Gestae or Rome Total War itself...
I wish you know how to change files..

Ive done this and it worked!! The best thing Ive done in my game!!!

**MrVoila** · April 25, 2009, 03:01 PM

How would I go about changing Romani names to the original Total War names? The names in EB are listed as only having one surname, Romanvs. If I add in many surnames, I won't be able to tell what the last names are, since EB doesn't display the real last name of Roman characters...

**Gaius of the Eagles** · April 26, 2009, 02:15 AM

Please!!! In the name of Jupiter Optimus Maximus!! Don't do my suggestion!! In fact, I got pissed off to what I've said before. Just follow the format of Mediolanicus - First Middlelast. If there's a new family member in your faction for example, Marcvs Ivlivs Libo, he was a new family mamber that you have adopted, follow first the old format "Marcvs Romanvs", then later or after you load your game you can type it as - Marcvs Ivlivslibo. Another thing, take out the first names with A to K on the end, this time it really worked.

**MrVoila** · April 26, 2009, 09:05 PM

What? Gaius, your comment made no sense. The point of this thread is that the First Middlelast technique DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK WITH THE ROMANI... So therefore I need a new more effective method...

**Mediolanicus** · April 27, 2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gaius of the Eagles

If there's a new family member in your faction for example, Marcvs Ivlivs Libo, he was a new family mamber that you have adopted, follow first the old format "Marcvs Romanvs", then later or after you load your game you can type it as - Marcvs Ivlivslibo.

No, you can't.

**MrVoila** · April 27, 2009, 11:50 AM

Gaius, you just posted that I should NOT try your first comment, and now you're telling me to try it... Either I'm very confused or you're not making sense.

**Gaius of the Eagles** · April 27, 2009, 03:24 AM

Just follow their suggested methods. For now, I'm also looking for a new mathod that could help you out. By the way, did you try my first suggestion about editing names?