Is Communism Dead?

[Exarch]

Formerly communist states have given up the marxist model and adopted capitalist models; besides acknowledgement on all sides that Marx was applying a theory to a world set in the industrial late 1800s.
Marxism as failed, communism has failed, the evil empire is no more.....or am i wrong?

to date, the only serious communists are university students (read, idiots) who try to get u to join a marxist type 'socialist alliance' BS. Incidenally such ppl also cal temselves 'anarchists' which is a bit ofa puzzle but anyhow, back to the q:

Is Communism dead and buried?

[Magno]

you can't kill an Idea, which is what communism is, a philosophy which dictates a form of government. In my opinion it is the perfect form of government (on paper/theoretical communism). straight answer no it is not dead there have been many communist riots in response the economic crisis so we might be seeing the next evolution of communism in the world pretty soon

[TSD]

you can't kill an Idea, which is what communism is, a philosophy which dictates a form of government. In my opinion it is the perfect form of government (on paper/theoretical communism). straight answer no it is not dead there have been many communist riots in response the economic crisis so we might be seeing the next evolution of communism in the world pretty soon

Ideally it would be nice, but it just can't work in its utopian form. Even in communist countries, like the soviet Union there were still the rich and the poor. Look at North Korea, at one time the people were told to eat grass to survive, do you think jonger or anyone involved in government for that matter eats grass? The only way I can see it ever working is if we had robots do everything for us like wall-e. Who is going to want to go to 10 years of advanced schooling to become a medical doctor when they will live no better than the garbage man? So at that point you need to force people into professions and jail them if they don't do it, the system will eventually then fail, due to discontent. I think the current system is fair. Being somebody that had to make it to where I am completely on my own steam. If I can do it, anyone can do it, some people just don't want to try or convince themselves they can't. Thats not my fault, rot in a ghetto working for minimum wage for all I care.

And there are plenty morons who still thinks it's dead..

If you would go back 100 years or so - everyone here would be considered as a commie, socialist, marxist... Socialist ideas have influenced eveyone - Even todays rightwing politicians!!
And the "free"-market capitalist system have only been truly successful in strongly regulated and state controlled countries!! And considering these last events - If it wasn't for the heavy interference of the Governments around the world - The capitalist system would collaps bigtime.....
- Well, it will eventually - It's just a question of time!

If it wasnt for the heavy interference of the governments it may not have collapsed at all(lets force the banks to lend money to people who cant afford to pay it back!). I wish they would just leave it alone. If there is a failure in the system it will right itself, like weather or an eco-system. When the banks were failing, there were and still are plenty of healthy banks, so if we let a big one crash, it creates a vaccuum, one of the healthy banks or a few, would fill the void, but no people come out and say they can solve it, by funneling un godly amounts of money into failing institutions with reckless abandon, great idea!

[Behind The Mask]

I dont like to think communism is dead... but I world like to belief its farker elements are dying with the failed state of North Korea and the dictator Castro.

I would like to see a rebirth of Communism, remodeled away from bloody revolution but rather reformed and refined... I think there is a medium somewhere between private property and public (in some form that already exists) but I don't go by the marxist of leninist ideals... I am only 16, I started reading into :enin at about 12 and got into the communist movement, but though I suppose some may consider my a Lenin fnaboy, I have sense reformed my thinking.

I've begun to feel that Communisms redemtion can be brought about by further emphasis on education, rights, healthcare and a better merging with Democratic process rather then a single chairman able to take power.

I also believe that, even if the system retains its 'anti-religion' sentiments, by no means should it be in the form of an Atheist state... rather it be theocratic or atheist, the superior system is the secular one and the dismissal of rights to worship is, even though I am an atheist myself, appaling and a strike to any record that this could be denied.

[Platon]

...Who is going to want to go to 10 years of advanced schooling to become a medical doctor when they will live no better than the garbage man?..

Maybe because some people prefer to study and work as doctors instead of working as a garbage man..?
Both professions are needed in the society.

If it wasnt for the heavy interference of the governments it may not have collapsed at all(lets force the banks to lend money to people who cant afford to pay it back!). I wish they would just leave it alone. If there is a failure in the system it will right itself, like weather or an eco-system. When the banks were failing, there were and still are plenty of healthy banks, so if we let a big one crash, it creates a vaccuum, one of the healthy banks or a few, would fill the void, but no people come out and say they can solve it, by funneling un godly amounts of money into failing institutions with reckless abandon, great idea!

The biggest misconception about this crisis is believeing it has to do with those subprime loans.... Pathetic!! Do you really think that loans to some poor families in the US would crash the finacial systems globally??
And your "Laissez faire"-ianism would lead to a total collaps of the economy, huge unemployment, poverty, chaos.. and eventually wars/revolutions!!
The world leaders knows that very well...

[BNS]

My bad, double post...

[Arkhan]

If it's not dead then it's on life support. There are really only two communist countries left, Cuba and North Korea. Of those Cuba wants relations with the US very much so at some point in the future we are going to be down to just one. Socialism on the other hand is alive and well. No country has it quite figured out yet, and it may be that there is no perfect, one size fits all ratio... but a blend of captialist and communist/socialist ideals is the way to go.

[Alkarin]

If it's not dead then it's on life support. There are really only two communist countries left, Cuba and North Korea. Of those Cuba wants relations with the US very much so at some point in the future we are going to be down to just one. Socialism on the other hand is alive and well. No country has it quite figured out yet, and it may be that there is no perfect, one size fits all ratio... but a blend of captialist and communist/socialist ideals is the way to go.

dont forget Moldova. they are communist too


I personally never want to see communism again. What i would like to see rise is Democratic Socialism, I believe its the best mix of morals and efficiency

[cristophe el perno]

Communism is not dead, the ideal exists and always will do, for better or for worse.

Communism remains an idea we can learn from, and perhaps incorporate certain parts of into society now it becomes apparent that free market capitalism fails just as epically as communism.

[Scar Face]

Communism is not dead, the ideal exists and always will do, for better or for worse.

Communism remains an idea we can learn from, and perhaps incorporate certain parts of into society now it becomes apparent that free market capitalism fails just as epically as communism.

Let me guess, you think this recession has to do with free market capitalism even though no one in the West has a free market capitalist economy? Win!

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Let me guess, you think this recession has to do with free market capitalism even though no one in the West has a free market capitalist economy? Win!

No one in the west has a democracy either, because not every single decision is put up for referendum. This is the same logic behind what you are saying. No country has an absolute Free Market but an Absolute Free Market is so incompatible with liberty and human dignity that it is a complete anachronism. But part of the reason we are in this crisis is the Free Hand given to Financial Institutions to give out bad loans and play this Byzantine game of security trading on wall street.

And Communism is not dead. Saying the collapse of the Soviet Union signaled the death of Communism is like saying that the fall of China would mean the death of Democracy.

[Enemy of the State]

Capitalism is a total failure, and it's failing more and more day by day.

How can you call capitalism a failure? Nearly all communist states have ended up collapsing, while the west is incredibly prosperous. A recession which isn't even caused by free market principles and which will soon pass does not discredit capitalism. We're taking a hundred steps forward and one back, while communism doesn't move forward at all.

[Heathen Hammer]

How can you call capitalism a failure? Nearly all communist states have ended up collapsing, while the west is incredibly prosperous. A recession which isn't even caused by free market principles and which will soon pass does not discredit capitalism. We're taking a hundred steps forward and one back, while communism doesn't move forward at all.

Free market principles fail as well. Actually, they are doing that right now. Recession want pass soon, and it was caused by utopian doctrines of free market.
USSR collapced because in 1985 a ruler came to power, who was interested in its collapce.

[Exarch]

which parts of communism?

[Bovril]

No state has ever been Communist or even Socialist according to Marxist historiographical theory, a fact acknowledged by Lenin. Pure State Capitalism (basically the System of the USSR) has failed to a large extent, but Communism will probably never exist, at least, not through the progression Marx envisaged.

[Heathen Hammer]

No. Ideas can't die.

[Barry Goldwater]

One can always dream...

[Enemy of the State]

It has always been dead intellectually.

Communism remains an idea we can learn from, and perhaps incorporate certain parts of into society now it becomes apparent that free market capitalism fails just as epically as communism.

A recession that will soon pass(Which began because of meddling with the economy in the first place, not capitalism itself!) is as bad as the tens of millions of lives communism has claimed and the economies it has ruined?

[Heathen Hammer]

It has always been dead intellectually.

A recession that will soon pass(Which began because of meddling with the economy in the first place, not capitalism itself!) is as bad as the tens of millions of lives communism has claimed and the economies it has ruined?

Well, recession will probably show how free market capitalism is utopia and can ruin economy much more than communism can.

[Giorgos]

Communism was dead at its inception. Its success relies on perfect human beings, and since human being are imperfect, communism is a flawed idea.