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    Default Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    Bye bye Texas? Lone Star State going it alone?

    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/

    It's kind of like that show Jericho's second season!




    Oh, and just b/c I know it pisses off people who think the Confederacy were good guys...
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    Default Re: Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    Reading your own article might help:

    “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Reading your own article might help:
    Listening to the video might help more:

    'Federal government has become oppressive in size... intrusion into lives of citizens'
    'Tired of Washington trying to tell us how to run Texas'

    P.S. lol@ "reaffirm the states’ rights" ---->"stengthening our union." Good joke, thanks for pointing that out.
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    Default Re: Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    The point is that he still clearly speaks about the Union and the position of Texas within it. There is not a single word of secession written there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    The point is that he still clearly speaks about the Union and the position of Texas within it. There is not a single word of secession written there.
    Read between the lines: it's an implicit threat. Kind of like when U.S.A. 1945-1949 "reminded" certain nations that they had made wondrous advances in the field of physics in recent years...

    State sovereignty: ball-swinging style!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustShoveJayOhBe View Post
    Read between the lines: it's an implicit threat. Kind of like when U.S.A. 1945-1949 "reminded" certain nations that they had made wondrous advances in the field of physics in recent years...

    State sovereignty: ball-swinging style!
    An implicit threat to....what? They have nothing to threaten with, because they would not survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustShoveJayOhBe View Post
    Read between the lines: it's an implicit threat. Kind of like when U.S.A. 1945-1949 "reminded" certain nations that they had made wondrous advances in the field of physics in recent years...

    State sovereignty: ball-swinging style!
    Of course, it's an implicit threat. It's the ultimate threat by sovereign States which themselves are threatened by an intrusive, coercive, out-of-control Federal government.

    The United States was intended to be a union of ... once again ... sovereign States ceding the power to make war, engage in diplomacy, and regulate interstate commerce to a limited Federal government. These powers are the only legitimate function of the central government. When that government exceeds its power - vastly, as I see it - the States have not only the right to threaten secession, but actually to secede.

    I only hope that the States don't fire on Fort Sumter, this time ...

    ... Fort Bragg? ...

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    Default Re: Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    This kinda reminds me of certain "prophecies" in recent years...

    "Every state is founded on violence."
    "Stalin is the grave digger of the revolution."
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    You don't understand what the 10th Amendment means do you?

    Read a book or something. Jeez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by André Masséna View Post
    You don't understand what the 10th Amendment means do you?

    Read a book or something. Jeez.
    Keeps the arbitrary pre-aeroplane & automobile state borders of my country intact leaving my taxes up to an arbitrary state government that makes my tax, teacher certification requirements, health benefits, and public safety rules completely different than a friend living 20 minutes away in a neighboring state within the same metropolitan area...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    How bad is the American education system? Cause the level of FAIL in terms of reading comprehension is getting ridiculous.
    Na I disagree, I think the only "fail" going on here is the inability for certain individuals to sit through a ten minute rant by a state governor who's lecturing the national government about the national Constitution...
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    Default Re: Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    How bad is the American education system? Cause the level of FAIL in terms of reading comprehension is getting ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    How bad is the American education system? Cause the level of FAIL in terms of reading comprehension is getting ridiculous.
    not much motivation. sometimes idiots stay idiots throughout their lives.

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    Default Re: Texas Leaving the good ol' US of A?

    yeah, Texas isn't going to secede, they just want to go back to the good 'ol days where a state can pretty much do whatever it wants without the feds stepping in with all their big government BS

    but the problem is that states have done what Texas is doing (Wisconsin and their drinking age) and the feds have simply cut off funding for hospitals, roads and schools, and eventually the state gives into the pressure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otsman View Post
    yeah, Texas isn't going to secede, they just want to go back to the good 'ol days where a state can pretty much do whatever it wants without the feds stepping in with all their big government BS

    but the problem is that states have done what Texas is doing (Wisconsin and their drinking age) and the feds have simply cut off funding for hospitals, roads and schools, and eventually the state gives into the pressure
    Then maybe Texas should volunteer to give up NASA, give up its many large, economically-vital military bases, its Federally built and funded highways, and its claims to Hurricane Rita aid.


    ... or maybe they should stop whining and acting like selfish pricks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    no, they aren't leaving.

    there, done. end. fin. no mas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustShoveJayOhBe View Post
    Then maybe Texas should volunteer to give up NASA, give up its many large, economically-vital military bases, its Federally built and funded highways, and its claims to Hurricane Rita aid.

    If there was a bill stating that "1. All Federal Aid and Funding to Georgia will be ceased; 2. Georgians will no longer have to pay taxes to the Federal Government" I would vote for it. Federal Aid is a misnomer - The money came from us anyway, and if it didn't go to washington before returning to the place it came from, we would be able to see more clearly which states are mishandling their treasuries and would be able to watch how our tax money is spent more carefully.

    The only thing(s) I think we need a "National Fund" for are the Military, Customs, and Disaster Response.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JustShoveJayOhBe View Post
    Then maybe Texas should volunteer to give up NASA, give up its many large, economically-vital military bases, its Federally built and funded highways, and its claims to Hurricane Rita aid.


    ... or maybe they should stop whining and acting like selfish pricks?



    "I believe the Federal government has become oppressive."
    You think self determination and local control of an economy is selfish and whiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seneca View Post
    You think self determination and local control of an economy is selfish and whiny.
    Yes, because locals only know what's best for self-interest, they do not practice what is good for the whole. They benefit from the military protection, highways, regulators, anti-terrorism agents, social benefits programs, and emergency relief aid of the national government, but don't expect to take orders from the national government? Ridiculous. Texas wants the benefits of being a part of the United States without giving back. Taxes are lower in this country than when REAGAN was president, and this ridiculous idea that we are somehow now "bossing states around" when THEIR OWN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES!!! have been approving stimulus packages and the like is absolutely disgraceful.

    The reason state self-determination is whiny is because northern states like Michigan and even New York have been decaying, losing jobs, and have been undercut by southern states or foreign countries offering lower business taxes and cutting employee benefits for years and yet they don't whine and moan and "resassert" their soverignty like a bunch of little attention w-words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustShoveJayOhBe View Post
    Yes, because locals only know what's best for self-interest, they do not practice what is good for the whole. They benefit from the military protection, highways, regulators, anti-terrorism agents, social benefits programs, and emergency relief aid of the national government, but don't expect to take orders from the national government? Ridiculous. Texas wants the benefits of being a part of the United States without giving back. Taxes are lower in this country than when REAGAN was president, and this ridiculous idea that we are somehow now "bossing states around" when THEIR OWN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES!!! have been approving stimulus packages and the like is absolutely disgraceful.

    The reason state self-determination is whiny is because northern states like Michigan and even New York have been decaying, losing jobs, and have been undercut by southern states or foreign countries offering lower business taxes and cutting employee benefits for years and yet they don't whine and moan and "resassert" their soverignty like a bunch of little attention w-words.
    Guess you hate USA then considering it rebelled for wanting local control and more self determination?

    The fact is they don't want to leave the USA they merely want reduce the ever growing federal influence. They can become more efficient and more competitive without the feds interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otsman View Post
    yeah, Texas isn't going to secede, they just want to go back to the good 'ol days where a state can pretty much do whatever it wants without the feds stepping in with all their big government BS
    Well, the federal government's agenda isn't always "BS". Civil Rights, for example....

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    this is the vid


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