Thank you bugs, I can keep my city

[ohnoesaz]

So Im playing as the US and THOUGHT I had eliminated all the injuns in America and am allied with France which is my American neighbor. So I left very little army at home and dedicated it all to fighting Europe.

Boy was I surprised when a big Pueblo Nations horde showed (howitzers too, gotta love CA for that! Bug #1) up and came knocking on a city with just two militia units.

I figure Ill just fight to the death since we can't win them all afterall.

I get lucky and the Pueblo'ians have four horse units, two howitzer units, and four infantry units. So only 4 infantry units can actually storm the city.

My two units of militia lose over half their men but they somehow hold off the four infantry units of the Pueblo'ers.

So here I am stuck because the pueblo howitzers are pounding THE TRIANGLE end of a star fort. yes, thats right, which means when it collapses it still does not open up a way into the city. They keep shooting and shooting the star of the fort even though its collapsed (bug 2).

And silly me has no battle time limit so this could go on forever. Time to fight to the death.

I take my two units out of the city and march them up to the howitzers and horse units. Oh whats this? The howitzers keep pounding the city and ignore my men, and the horse units amazingly ignore my men! Wowie zowie thanks CA! (bug 3).

I march my men behind some fences behind the horses and start blasting away. Combine this with the horrible pathfinding (bug 4) and fence jumping (bug 5) by horses in the game and I'm given enough time to tear them to shreds.

I won.

[the_mango55]

Why do you still play?

From every post from you I have read it's clear you think this is the worst game ever produced.

[Shadow8]

Why do you still play?

From every post from you I have read it's clear you think this is the worst game ever produced.

LOL i love people like this man, if you dont like it fine, but apparently the internets is a great place to blow off steam and cry about how bad the dev's are. well heres my two cents!

1: no game is perfect DEAL WITH IT, in a while empire will be awsome

2: dont trash the dev's (aka "thanks CA") because i dont see you producing 3d strategy games on an epic scale...

[ohnoesaz]

LOL i love people like this man, if you dont like it fine, but apparently the internets is a great place to blow off steam and cry about how bad the dev's are. well heres my two cents!

1: no game is perfect DEAL WITH IT, in a while empire will be awsome

2: dont trash the dev's (aka "thanks CA") because i dont see you producing 3d strategy games on an epic scale...

You dont see me claiming it either then stealing money.

[Shadow8]

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You dont see me claiming it either then stealing money.

you BOUGHT IT, you WILLINGLY ( i assume) either handed money over a counter or entered a credit card number. thats not stealing! you may not have been happy with the product, but you WILLINGLY bought the game. even you said playing for the graphics gets you your money's worth. so why complain about the gameplay if all you like are the graphics?

[ohnoesaz]

you BOUGHT IT, you WILLINGLY ( i assume) either handed money over a counter or entered a credit card number. thats not stealing! you may not have been happy with the product, but you WILLINGLY bought the game. even you said playing for the graphics gets you your money's worth. so why complain about the gameplay if all you like are the graphics?

I know I willingly bought it. Just like every investor with Bernie Madoff willingly gave him millions of dollars. Its called fraud and you're right, the victims are VERY willingly participating.

Sad really.

[BadBlood]

you BOUGHT IT, you WILLINGLY ( i assume) either handed money over a counter or entered a credit card number. thats not stealing! you may not have been happy with the product, but you WILLINGLY bought the game. even you said playing for the graphics gets you your money's worth. so why complain about the gameplay if all you like are the graphics?

This is such rubbish! Lots of people willingly buy things that, once tested, prove to be less than that advertised. This is called false advertising and customers have the right to complain. ETW has been spectacular in its failure to live up to player expectations.

Where did these expectations come from? Were there any disclaimers like, prone to crashing, no naval invasions, reinforcements don't work like ANY of the previous versions, not playtested past 1730, etc? No. Instead there were VIDEO CLIPS about how good the AI is (what AI??) and lots of hype about the gaming experience being the best yet.

Since release there have been many, many claims from CA that the game was playtested prior to release. Something that I really struggle to believe because of the very basic, obvious, repetetive flaws that have been exhibited in nearly EVERY turn of gameplay. For me, this is when false advertising becomes fraud, and fraud is stealing.

The next patch better be amazing and it better come soon, because I know that I am not the only one who does not have an infinite capacity for disappointment.

[Humble Warrior]

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You dont see me claiming it either then stealing money.

I`m with you, ohnoesaz.

You have EVERY RIGHT to play AND complain until it`s fixed.

Right 1: You bought the game, so you play when you want. Gotta do something with that lost money.

Right 2: It should be fixed, it isn`t so you can do your bit and complain. Maybe it won`t happen again if we hurt their ears enough.

Right 3: No other forumites can stop you just because they don`t want to see it(er, except moderaters of course).

[the_mango55]

I`m with you, ohnoesaz.

You have EVERY RIGHT to play AND complain until it`s fixed.

Right 1: You bought the game, so you play when you want. Gotta do something with that lost money.

Right 2: It should be fixed, it isn`t so you can do your bit and complain. Maybe it won`t happen again if we hurt their ears enough.

Right 3: No other forumites can stop you just because they don`t want to see it(er, except moderaters of course).

I didn't say he didn't have the right, I'm just wondering why he does it.

I don't understand the "get my money's worth" argument. I would rather someone steal $50 than pay $50 to do something I hate, especially if it's really time consuming.

Let's assume I buy the latest EA boxing game, which claimes to be the "Most realistic ever!" and it turns out that every time I play someone comes to my house and punches me in the face repeatedly.

I'm not going to keep playing the game to "get my money's worth."

[Niccolo Maciavelli]

LOL i love people like this man, if you dont like it fine, but apparently the internets is a great place to blow off steam and cry about how bad the dev's are. well heres my two cents!

1: no game is perfect DEAL WITH IT, in a while empire will be awsome, for now SHUT UP

2: dont trash the dev's (aka "thanks CA") because i dont see you producing 3d strategy games on an epic scale...

Hey, where do you get off telling people to shut up, he didnt buy the game so it could be awesome in 6 months, be bought it expecting it would be playable now.

We dont make epic 3d strategy games, but i paid $110 for an epic 3d strategy game, and what we got is at times unplayable. So excuese us for being a little bit upset.

He is dealing with it, he's telling other people his opinion, if you see a crap movie that was supposed to be good, you have a right to say that it was crap, Just because CA made some of the most awesome games ever doesnt mean that there some sort of sacred cow that we mortals cant critique.

[Shadow8]

Hey, where do you get off telling people to shut up, he didnt buy the game so it could be awesome in 6 months, be bought it expecting it would be playable now.

We dont make epic 3d strategy games, but i paid $110 for an epic 3d strategy game, and what we got is at times unplayable. So excuese us for being a little bit upset.

He is dealing with it, he's telling other people his opinion, if you see a crap movie that was supposed to be good, you have a right to say that it was crap, Just because CA made some of the most awesome games ever doesnt mean that there some sort of sacred cow that we mortals cant critique.

i'm not saying empire is perfect, i've already admitted that its not

and i agree it SHOULD have been more playable at release and had fewer bugs but that, however, does not make it ok or justifiable to run around the forum bashing the game and the devs man. i'd much rather see bug reports and suggestions on how they may be avoided or constructive criticism rather than flaming, its more intelligent and useful to everyone on the forum and in society in general. had Martin Luther King jr. just ran around yelling about how much segregation sucked, the civil rights movement would have failed. instead he presented a solution that he beleived (and was) agreeable to most people at the time, and the civil rights movement worked. in conclusion a race riot (in this case a bug riot) will not present any solution to the problem, only prolong it's continued agigtation and preventing the game from being stable and satisfying.

[Niccolo Maciavelli]

i'm not saying empire is perfect, i've already admitted that its not

and i agree it SHOULD have been more playable at release and had fewer bugs but that, however, does not make it ok or justifiable to run around the forum bashing the game and the devs man. i'd much rather see bug reports and suggestions on how they may be avoided or constructive criticism rather than flaming, its more intelligent and useful to everyone on the forum and in society in general. had Martin Luther King jr. just ran around yelling about how much segregation sucked, the civil rights movement would have failed. instead he presented a solution that he beleived (and was) agreeable to most people at the time, and the civil rights movement worked. in conclusion a race riot (in this case a bug riot) will not present any solution to the problem, only prolong it's continued agigtation and preventing the game from being stable and satisfying.

Fairish point man, my origional post was done in anger at having gotten a redicullas number of CTD's just after the patch update. Made me feel that the whingers on this site might have a point. I do have to say though, perhaps the civil rights movement is a little out of the Tottal War league lol.

[BlackPirate]

the things you call bags are either historically inaccurate details(which is fine by me because i am not a nerd i just want to play a game with its rules)or bad AI although not so bad as you claim.Why sould the artillery stop bombarding you?You were forced in the end to attack.PC can play into eternity you cant( and he knows it)

[The Donz]

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... because i dont see you producing 3d strategy games on an epic scale...

I don't want to go into the whole discusion going on here and just piked your point 'cus i see it verry often on these or other boards (of whatever game/software), so no offence to you.

That argument just has no point at all!

example: A customer comes to my shop and want me to build up a custom Bike. When I'm doing something wrong/ not like ordered, the Customer has every ing right to complain about!!
You won't see me going like "damn you Mr.X, you don't know how to bulid bikes, so how dare you to complain!"

sorry for going off topic but had to say that.

[Humble Warrior]

I don't want to go into the whole discusion going on here and just piked your point 'cus i see it verry often on these or other boards (of whatever game/software), so no offence to you.

That argument just has no point at all!

example: A customer comes to my shop and want me to build up a custom Bike. When I'm doing something wrong/ not like ordered, the Customer has every ing right to complain about!!
You won't see me going like "damn you Mr.X, you don't know how to bulid bikes, so how dare you to complain!"

sorry for going off topic but had to say that.

Precisely.

Truth is, I`ve seen people here try to say that white is black and black is white. Basically, they`ll turn logic upside down just to say that Empires is wonderful and right and any complainers are wrong. The blind fanboyism is quite astonishing.

Only on the net.

When something is broken it is broken. Simple. And any customer is totally in their right to say it is broken and complain to get it fixed!

[ohnoesaz]

Why do you still play?

From every post from you I have read it's clear you think this is the worst game ever produced.

I play because my money was stolen and I can't get it back. ETW has AMAZING graphics so even if its the one part of the game that works it still helps me get my moneys worth.


Post edited. Do NOT insult other posters, no matter what. - Thanatos

[the_mango55]

I play because my money was stolen and I can't get it back. ETW has AMAZING graphics so even if its the one part of the game that works it still helps me get my moneys worth.

So they "stole" your money.

Now you are letting them steal your time too? I've made bad investments in games I don't enjoy also, I don't force myself to play them to "get my moneys worth" If I'm happier not playing a game (or watching a movie, reading a book, etc) then I stop.

[Turbo]

So they "stole" your money.

Now you are letting them steal your time too? I've made bad investments in games I don't enjoy also, I don't force myself to play them to "get my moneys worth" If I'm happier not playing a game (or watching a movie, reading a book, etc) then I stop.

Its great that you don't value $50 bucks but some of us have higher standards of value for our money. I certainly don't light a cigar with a $50 bill, I want something of value in return. Buying Empire shouldn't be a charitable writeoff. What I have right now is a game that doesn't run without constant crashing and that is unacceptable.

[Plank of Wood]

I can see pretty well what's going on here. It appears that one of the factorys where the game is mass produced is above an ancient native american burial ground, so they are cursed to never run properly. The people who bought the cursed copys think they've been ripped off, while the lucky ones can't see why the others think this way because we have a game which runs perfectly fine.


In any case, I don't feel ripped off because the game supplies me with everything it says on the back of the box very well and does not crash. If you do feel ripped off it's because either you're computer is too good and modern for the game engine to work or you bought the ancient indian burial ground copy.

[klesh]

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