So "right wing" extremism is defined by Obama admin as...

[danzig]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cals-on-right/

"A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says."

So basically anyone with right wing views is an extremist and even suggest the growth is based on war vets. Given Texas and other states pushing for sovereignty rights we can then label all those states as right wing extremist! Amusing the Obama admin is distancing itself from its own report by Sect of Homeland security. I wonder what how Bush admin would have been seen if it defined left wing extremist as anyone with save the trees bumper sticker or support roe vs wade.

[Barry Goldwater]

Aw , now I'm a criminal 'cause I want the states to decide their own social issues aren't I?

Good thing I have no respect for the Obama admin, if I still had any it would've evaporated here.

Also, what's wrong with pro-life groups and people who want to restrict immigration/eliminate illegal immigration?

[boofhead]

Also, what's wrong with......
people who want to restrict immigration/eliminate illegal immigration?

They're racists, just ask the morally superior pissweak toffs of TWC.

[Panzerbear]

wow... this is really getting out of hand. in fact, congratulations America, for all practical purposes you are on the same level as Russia in my books.

[danzig]

The thing gets me most is the suggestion war vets are going to be disgruntled and turn into Tim Mcveigh types and the suggestion that US military is being stockpiled by white nationalist to learn military skills. Mcveigh wasnt right in the head before he entered the military. Plus hey didnt we get a report a few years ago about how *hispanic* gangs were using the military in the same way? Funny thing is someone like Ron Paul would be deemed a right wing extremist under this

[Iscariott]

Funny thing is someone like Ron Paul would be deemed a right wing extremist under this

In the modern political spectrum, he IS an extremist. Just one some of us happen to be fond of

[danzig]

In the modern political spectrum, he IS an extremist. Just one some of us happen to be fond of

Yes but not in the manner of right wing, let blood run in the streets revolution and white power...as much as I laugh at Ron Paul he isnt an extremist as one defines extremist in this country.

[Gertrudius]

Doesn't that just describe the majority of conservatives?

Obviously this was well thought out and is unbiased by the administrations own political opinions.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Take it easy,

[Holger Danske]

In the modern political spectrum, he IS an extremist. Just one some of us happen to be fond of

Correction, American political spectrum..

[Ishoss]

wow... this is really getting out of hand. in fact, congratulations America, for all practical purposes you are on the same level as Russia in my books.

Coming from you, isn't that a compliment?

[Cougman21]

I dont see what the hype is about. Homeland security is warning law enforcement about groups of people recruiting and arming others for possible violence? How do you define those people who would possibly resort to violence because they are against liberal ideals like abortion and who would possible target democrats for violence?

[Ishoss]

I dont see what the hype is about. Homeland security is warning law enforcement about groups of people recruiting and arming others for possible violence? How do you define those people who would possibly resort to violence because they are against liberal ideals like abortion and who would possible target democrats for violence?

Armed-opposition?

[Cougman21]

Armed-opposition?

Everyone loves the KKK, Aryans, and skinheads, especially when theyre armed.

[Mythre]

This is simply ridiculous... seriously... anyone who supports the idea of Federalism is a right wing extremist? Sheesh, then i guess the founding fathers were extremists.

[Boer]

The footnote (http://images.logicsix.com/DHS_RWE.pdf end of page 2/9) says:
[quote]

Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to asingle issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

[quote]

Maybe its just me, but I see this as a statement dividing the extremists by their motivations, not saying everyone with similar views is an extremist. I think its a stretch to claim that this statement is labeling every one who is opposed to abortion or immigration a rightwing extremist. Instead, I think it was meant to say that some rightwing extremists are motivated by those factors, while others are motivated by anti-semitism. The document repeatedly compares now to the 90's, yet I don't recall any government attempt to arrest the pro-life movement as a whole.

[danzig]

[QUOTE=Boer;4956450]The footnote (http://images.logicsix.com/DHS_RWE.pdf end of page 2/9) says:
[quote]

Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to asingle issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Maybe its just me, but I see this as a statement dividing the extremists by their motivations, not saying everyone with similar views is an extremist. I think its a stretch to claim that this statement is labeling every one who is opposed to abortion or immigration a rightwing extremist. Instead, I think it was meant to say that some rightwing extremists are motivated by those factors, while others are motivated by anti-semitism. The document repeatedly compares now to the 90's, yet I don't recall any government attempt to arrest the pro-life movement as a whole.

Yeah it is separating them into two groups but it is the second group that is the problem since its so broad that it can pretty much tag anyone who holds a conservative view. What exactly does "anti immigration" mean? Since to me it would seem that the extremist elements of anti immigration groups are the ones who have racial views how does/did the government plan to define it? True in the 90s there were no attempts to arrest prolifers but there WERE laws passed that infringe on the 1st amendments rights of those people and now the government is attempt to expand it so that an abortion clinic can simply call/report any protester outside as being disruptive. Before it required a complaint from someone they specifically harassed, now anyone can be tagged with it.

Since the document provides no criteria on what is extremism and the fact it attempts to separate hate groups from the other then its logical to conclude the definition is so wide open as to be anyone they decide is a problem. This to me reeks of opposite end of 60s where everyone who protested vietnam etc were left wing radicals. I mean being antigoverment is extremism? To what degree? Especially when it eliminates hate groups from the equation.

[Valiant Champion]

Well the Governor of Texas is a domestic terrorists I guess. According to The Department of Homeland Security.

To Obama's credit it appears his cabinet has gone rogue on him. First both Secretary of State and Attorney general threatening gun control get a swift backslap from Obama to shut up. Now the Department of Homeland security making totalitarian moves without the apparent approval of the President.

Either that

Or Obama knows exactly what is going on.

[Arjun]

what i don't get about the Anti-Abortionists is the fact that want to impose their OWN values on others. is it not akin to the federal government trying to impose its values on the states? if the federal government trying to impose stuff on the states is wrong; how come the same argument is not used to invalidate the anti-abortionists plan to ban abortion for everyone?

why such hypocrisy?

and whats even more outrageous is that some states are so beyond the pale that they even ban abortion for kids/women who were raped!
what next? torching people are witches for not listening to the voice of lord god almighty?

[Barry Goldwater]

what i don't get about the Anti-Abortionists is the fact that want to impose their OWN values on others. is that akin to the federal government trying to impose its values on the states? if the federal government trying to impose stuff on the states is wrong; how come the same argument is not used to invalidate the anti-abortionists plan to ban abortion for everyone?

why such hypocrisy?

and whats even more outrageous is that some states are so beyond the pale that they even ban abortion for kids/women who were raped!
what next? torching people are witches for not listening to the voice of lord god almighty?

What? That should be impossible, thanks to Roe v. Wade (which I would like to repeal, allowing the states to decide the answer to this controversial issue themselves). However...

If it is the will of the people, then it will be done. That's democracy for you, in all its flawed 'glory'.

[Valiant Champion]

what i don't get about the Anti-Abortionists is the fact that want to impose their OWN values on others. is it not akin to the federal government trying to impose its values on the states? if the federal government trying to impose stuff on the states is wrong; how come the same argument is not used to invalidate the anti-abortionists plan to ban abortion for everyone?

why such hypocrisy?

and whats even more outrageous is that some states are so beyond the pale that they even ban abortion for kids/women who were raped!
what next? torching people are witches for not listening to the voice of lord god almighty?

Thanks for trying to derail a thread to pursue your anti-theistic belief system.