Why Hellas/Greek total war MUST be the next TW

[Valerius Tiberius]

Hi all

I've been thinking about this, and I've decided that Hellas TW must be the next TW.

- First of all: ship battles.
Since ETW we are able to play ship battles, and this could be expanded more so that we could have the land-sea battles in ancient Greece.

- Second, the graphics and numbers of men.
The graphics have been becoming better every TW game, but with ETW I think we've reached a limit of graphics-number balance.
Not every pc is a gaming computer, and with all these numbers of men on the battlefield, graphics can't be too high! Or the other way around: superb graphics, with a lower amount of men.

That's where Hellas would give an outcome.
During Greek times the numbers involved in battles weren't very high, so CA could make the graphics even a little better, but especially make the unit moves better, more realistic, arrows being stuck in people, breaking shields and spears, men being cut by an enemy, but still living, ... and all kinds of things.
This can all be done without killing a pc (because graphics and movements would be very high, while the number of men a little lower then usual)
+ numbers CAN be high (for those who like it) during a Persian Invasion or in the later game (when there are few but great nations, actually city states..)

- Which brings us to our next point: City States.
In ETW there are over 50 factions, which gives us the opportunity to present the diversity in the Greek world. With these 50+ factions, we can represent a lot of city states, large or small, up to little tribes (an expedition against the Pisidians for those who've read Xenophon? )


(also CA, could you add the possibility of alliance blocks to be formed into leagues?
I don't think it would be so hard, and it gives an extra dimension of gameplay + we can represent the Delian-Atian league, the Pelloponesian league,.....
if you don't really get what I mean, here's an example:
in my current M2TW campaign, I'm in an alliance with several factions, who are also allied with eachother. And we're all at war against 3-4 factions, who are all allied to eachother too.
So we are like two leagues at war.
Get it? )


I am sure I can think of many more reasons if I think for a moment, and am sure you guys can too!

Please feel free to discuss and comment!
(CA guys too plz!!!)

Valerius Tiberius

ps: one of the options in the CA poll thingie was the Greek time, so maybe we will be lucky

[Valerius Tiberius]

Just thought of the reason I forgot:

RTW still remains one of the most popular TW's, and the Greeks were a very loved faction.
I think a Hellas TW would be almost even popular or even more as RTW was, so CA, that would bring in a lot of money

Valerius Tiberius

ps: ofcourse the RTW phalanx system would have to be greatly renewed in this new TW!!!

[Tspk91]

What I think is that they could simply make a game called Hellenic Total War, from the persian wars to the division of the empire of alexander. It could end in, to say, 200 BC more or less. You would get overhand phalanxes, macedonian phalanxes, and they could include a map of everything from italy to the borders of india, and from the black sea to egypt. Most of the factions would be in greece, and the rise of macedon, the persian wars and the peloponesian wars as well as the diadochi would be scripted... Still, i prefer a RTW II...

[Pink Beard]

I want "Bacteria: Total War"
Then we could choose different types of bacteria and virusses and then they would eat eachother and we would be competing over humans, mutating into better forms and declare Jihads on other virusses.
Yeah, and build micro-organism to support the virus' flank and let the Bacteria charge at the enemy virus'!
Also, you could unlock new factions by eating the appropriate amount of humans

lol, just kidding. I think Rome 2 would be a brilliant idea!

[Tspk91]

Valerius tiberius, greeks, even in times of persian wars, knew well their country, I mean, they should see all of greece, a little of trhace, and a little of turkey and egypt. They shouldnt see persia of course, the same persia wont see italy (there could be a emergent state there, the early roman republic...)

[nostradamouse]

I want "Bacteria: Total War"
Then we could choose different types of bacteria and virusses and then they would eat eachother and we would be competing over humans, mutating into better forms and declare Jihads on other virusses.
Yeah, and build micro-organism to support the virus' flank and let the Bacteria charge at the enemy virus'!
Also, you could unlock new factions by eating the appropriate amount of humans

lol, just kidding. I think Rome 2 would be a brilliant idea!

Thank you for remembering me of my classes... Don't forget that regions would be Petri dishes and that you could research mutations to resist viruses...



Thank God I'm changing Bachelor program... Too much microbio for me.

[Pink Beard]

Thank you for remembering me of my classes... Don't forget that regions would be Petri dishes and that you could research mutations to resist viruses...



Thank God I'm changing Bachelor program... Too much microbio for me.

lol!

[Laoch]

Just thought of the reason I forgot:

RTW still remains one of the most popular TW's, and the Greeks were a very loved faction.
I think a Hellas TW would be almost even popular or even more as RTW was, so CA, that would bring in a lot of money

Valerius Tiberius

ps: ofcourse the RTW phalanx system would have to be greatly renewed in this new TW!!!

Also, RTW is behind MTW2 and has sold less than half of what ETW did so I don't think you can use popularity as an example.

[bangell99]

I do love the period; I'd love either a Roman or Greek sequel.

[Pallantides]

I'd rather have a new TW game that centered on Asia, Middle East or the early Americas.

[mightyfenrir]

I'd rather have a new TW game that centered on Asia, Middle East or the early Americas.

Asia would be nice, get away from where we've been throughout the last three games. Go back to the whole of Asia though, not Shogun. I don't honestly know how I feel about another one though, we'll have to see where they take it and if I'm interested at all.

[Roma]

as long as I can fight the battle of thermopylae Im in!

[Valerius Tiberius]

you bring up a good point:

the map

IMO they need to change some stuff about the map.
I think it would be better if:

a city state started out with only his city and a little terrain around it visible. the other terrain is invisible (not even with fow over it or anything, you just can't see anything!!!)

and when you exchange map info with someone, you can see thaty territory, WITH FOW.

You can only see it as you see your own polis (=city state) when you have an army/agent whatever, there.

This way, it will be much harder to start an expedition and all, since you don't know where cities are, where mountains are, rivers and all that.

The map could stretch indeed all over whatever, but then the diversity of city states comes in danger....

but it would indeed be very cool if you could discover land (see previous part) into Asia and all. (the Indus for sure)

there could be various campaigns too (like persian, pelloponesian, alexander, diadochi...)
or just one big one, don't care


But the change to the map should be made IMO, it would give a whole different experience + campaign map would become harder and more unpredictable.

[Seamless]

I want WWII Total War. I know there are a retarded number of PC games based on WWII, most of them crappy (except WWII Online), but just imagine how awesome it'd be if CA could pull it off. I mean Empire is a big step forward and it introduces a lot to the genre, but WWII Total War would be just insane. It would be the most complex, in depth, large video game ever.

[Dr. Croccer]

That would be pants. I really prefer a 19th century, WWI or Shogun one.

[D.B. Cooper]

The history of Greece is quite dull compared to other ancient civilizations, such as Rome. Seriously, it would tank purely for the subject matter.

[Tspk91]

That you have said is nonsense. It is a very interesting history with a lot of factions, and it is full of wars...

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

The history of Greece is quite dull compared to other ancient civilizations, such as Rome. Seriously, it would tank purely for the subject matter.

You better start to read History man.... how old are you???? seriously are you competely ignorant????

[Otherside]

while the politcs and factions and wars where interesting the battles were not at all it, was noticeable difference when someone would put more men in a section than others thats how boring they where.

[Tspk91]

The same as in XVIII century. And you have: greek phalanx, macedonian phalanx, slingers, javelineers na dpeltasts, cavalry, elephants, ancient wgyptians, thracians, early romans and etruscans, trireme battles, steppes hordes, persian armies, etc, etc, etc.... and gauls...